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Offline Andy80

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External filter help
« on: June 18, 2017, 11:01:11 AM »
Ive got a rio 180 with the internal filter which is okay but theres always tiny white particles in the water, i do regular water changes but these seem to always be there not a lot but enough to see when the lights are on.

Would an external get rid of these, i was looking at the eheim- i like the pro 4 350 but ive never used an external and worry about leaks! Would this filter be man enough for the tank?  And how common are leaks is it usually user error?

Id really like a sump for the extra volume and i think less risk of total emptying

Thanks
Andy
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Bn pleco (is the boss)
Peppered cory
Opaline gourami (thinks hes the boss)
Emerald eye rasboras
Siamese algae eaters
Amano shrimp
Nerite snails

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    Re: External filter help
    « Reply #1 on: June 18, 2017, 11:16:19 AM »
    Hi Andy,

    Reeflowers Aqua Clear is an excellent product to clear floating small particles.
    I had the same thing. Used once and they went. Now I just use it after a water change.

    If you wanted to change to an external I'd be inclined to go the next model up the eheim pro 4 600.

    It's £40 more but increased flow and more space for media.

    http://www.eheim-aquarium-parts.co.uk/proddetail/eheim-professional-4-600-2275-external-filter?gclid=CKWo1I6Tx9QCFemd7Qodw4kD-w

    You could even get ones with a heater in if you really want to push the boat out!

    You won't achieve the flow rates that eheim claim, probably 30% less.

    You can always turn the flow down slightly in these models.

    The 350 would do the job, but I'd always go bigger if you can. Check that any external will fit in your cabinet though!

    Thoroughly recommend the eheim pro filters, I have 2  X pro 3 with no problems. I think Stephen has A pro 4 and he likes it.

    Very little chance of a leak in my view. You just check the fittings as part of your normal tank checks.

    Good idea to buy replacement seals when you buy any filter (just so you've got them) and also I'd recommend the eheim silicon spray to protect the rubber bits (on both internals and externals)


    « Last Edit: June 18, 2017, 11:27:58 AM by Siege »
    6 foot, 600L Tropical Tank
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    6 Bolivian Ram, 1 Gold Nugget L018,
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    Re: External filter help
    « Reply #2 on: June 18, 2017, 11:44:45 AM »
    Thanks thats really helpful i was think about the 600 but didnt know if it would be too much, i did recently start using purigen which has made a bit of a difference but some of the bits dont seem to get near to the intake before going back around the in the current. Ill have a look at the aqua clear thanks.

    Bit in general a cannister is better and more likley to get rid of these little specks?

    Cheers
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    Peppered cory
    Opaline gourami (thinks hes the boss)
    Emerald eye rasboras
    Siamese algae eaters
    Amano shrimp
    Nerite snails

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    Re: External filter help
    « Reply #3 on: June 18, 2017, 11:55:11 AM »
    An external is better imo. You can fit so much more media in there. You'll also be able to remove your Juwel internal if you want.

    I wouldn't say it would 100% remove the floating micro particles though. Mine didn't until I added the Aqua clear stuff. But then they went within a couple of hours and stayed gone.

    All the dirt will be removed from the tank though so another reason why an external is better.
    6 foot, 600L Tropical Tank
    34 Congo Tetra, 50 cardinal Tetra, 5 pearl Gourami,
    6 Bolivian Ram, 1 Gold Nugget L018,
    5 up-side down Catfish
    Amano shrimp,

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    Re: External filter help
    « Reply #4 on: June 18, 2017, 12:20:31 PM »
    Just had a look at range of reeflowers products there. Never heard of them before but some really good stuff there. More things to buy now! Cheers siege.

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    Re: External filter help
    « Reply #5 on: June 18, 2017, 12:28:54 PM »
    Id definitely recommend the Aqua Clear  *grin*

    I haven't used anything else of theirs though.
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    6 Bolivian Ram, 1 Gold Nugget L018,
    5 up-side down Catfish
    Amano shrimp,

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    Re: External filter help
    « Reply #6 on: June 19, 2017, 09:52:21 AM »
    I don't get particles with my Juwel filter.
    Is the white "polypad" clean and at the top? I just clean my polypad out weekly in old tankwater until it starts to disintegrate, the longest I've kept one is about 18 months.
    I've never changed the sponges.
    I do have the 1000 pump as a replacement for the 600 though.
    Sent from my PC as I still don't understand the the logic for mobile internet usage ;) *grin*
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    Re: External filter help
    « Reply #7 on: June 19, 2017, 04:39:42 PM »
    I replace the polyfilter every week when i water change i dont use thebproper juwel ones though i use a big floss roll and cut bits to size, ill try and put a pic but theyre really small. This was taken just after feeding flake for the first time for the rasboras but i can always see the particles the fish dont seem to mind
    Rio 180 with
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    Peppered cory
    Opaline gourami (thinks hes the boss)
    Emerald eye rasboras
    Siamese algae eaters
    Amano shrimp
    Nerite snails

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    Re: External filter help
    « Reply #8 on: June 19, 2017, 06:58:28 PM »
    I use the same when I clean my mothers Juwel filter. Only every couple of months though.
    6 foot, 600L Tropical Tank
    34 Congo Tetra, 50 cardinal Tetra, 5 pearl Gourami,
    6 Bolivian Ram, 1 Gold Nugget L018,
    5 up-side down Catfish
    Amano shrimp,

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    Re: External filter help
    « Reply #9 on: June 19, 2017, 08:19:15 PM »
    My mate was having the same problem with his rio 180 and i told him to move the filter floss position to be after the sponges and before the bio media as i dont understand why the filter floss is the first point of contact with the water before it hits the other sponges.

    In my opinion i don't think it would be to long before this gets clogged up and restricts the water flow stopping even fine particles from passing through the filter as easily causing the water to back up almost and stay in the aquarium rather than getting trapped in the filter.

    It would make more sense if it was the course foam first as this would take longer to get clogged up. 

    Personally i think the filter floss first and the recommendation that its replaced weekly is a gimmick to encourage follow on sales and isn't required to be replaced as plankton has said. The fact he's using a stronger pump also means hes less likely to have backing up effect.

    On that note when my friend changed the position of the floss the particles lessened and his tank looked cleaner. The floss will also last longer and less requirememt to clean it as often as every week.

    Just my humble opinion though. Theres no right or wrong.
    I have a rio 125 im hardscaping just now and I've ripped the bioflow out as i think it's oversized and half the foams aren't required especially not in the order juwel put them in.

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    Re: External filter help
    « Reply #10 on: June 20, 2017, 09:05:33 AM »
    I've had mine 18 years nearly, and it hasn't clogged once, even when it got left for three weeks.
    And I've not had particles.....
    Strange.
    Sent from my PC as I still don't understand the the logic for mobile internet usage ;) *grin*
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    Re: External filter help
    « Reply #11 on: June 20, 2017, 10:34:38 AM »
    Yeah strange. as i said obviously the stronger pump with yours helps alot. Was a bit surprised when I looked inside the filter it was only a 600lph pump. Could also be different feeding regimes making an impact as well. My mate was feeding his twice a day which he's now changed to once every other day

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    Re: External filter help
    « Reply #12 on: June 20, 2017, 11:40:57 AM »
    I wonder it if could it be because of the black background showing the particles up?
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    Opaline gourami (thinks hes the boss)
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    Siamese algae eaters
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    Nerite snails

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    Re: External filter help
    « Reply #13 on: June 20, 2017, 02:50:36 PM »
    None of my tanks with black backgrounds have particles.
    Have you checked the tapwater?
    I have had particles short-term a couple of times when they've done maintenance on the pipes in the street.
    Sent from my PC as I still don't understand the the logic for mobile internet usage ;) *grin*
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    Re: External filter help
    « Reply #14 on: June 20, 2017, 07:08:29 PM »
    The tap water is fine i think its floating debris ive just added more purigen and im waiting on the reeflowers hopefully that will sort it, its not massive maybe im just sitting too close watching the fish 😊
    Rio 180 with
    Bn pleco (is the boss)
    Peppered cory
    Opaline gourami (thinks hes the boss)
    Emerald eye rasboras
    Siamese algae eaters
    Amano shrimp
    Nerite snails