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Re: Belated logging trip
« Reply #30 on: March 25, 2017, 04:13:07 pm »
Ahh bother! A trip back to Aquatic Finatic is needed then?  *grin* *grin* *grin* *grin* *grin* *grin*  roflmao

If I had some more money then I would invest in some more tangles of wood as the piece I got was only around £6 and is very well worth the money if you ask me. It's starting to sink nicely so I'll be getting some images of it tomorrow or the day after in the tank with Java Fern attached to it :)
4ft, 140L:
14 x Pentazona Barbs
10 x Golden Barbs
2 x Kribensis (m&f)
1 x Albino Rainbow Shark
3 x Bristlenose Plecs

3ft, 60-80L:
1 x Musk Turtle

2ft, 54L:
8 x Glowlight Tetra
3 x Otocinclus

3ft, 100L:
3 x Red Hump Eartheater Cichlid (Geophagus steindachneri)
1 x Bandit Cichlid (Guianacara stergiosi)
10 x Bristlenose Plec Juveniles (approx 1"+)
4 x Lemon Bristlenose Plec - 2 breeding pairs
2 x Tiger Plec (L002) breeding pair

50L grow-out tank:
50+? x Bristlenose Plec fry and Lemon Plec Dad from 3ft, 100L tank.

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    Re: Belated logging trip
    « Reply #31 on: March 30, 2017, 10:03:34 pm »
    Well, only a few days since adding the Kribs but the female has not long laid eggs! ... I mean, I'm happy that they're comfortable enough but I'm very nervous for the rest of the fish now  *blink* I've heard some horror stories about Kribs but I'm just hoping the fact that I've got a 4ft tank and they're nestled in at one end in a corner and there's a fair amount of stuff to provide cover is going to be enough to protect the rest of the fish.

    The female is the only one guarding the batch of eggs and she seems nice and calm at the moment, she is relatively gently seeing off the Barbs when they come round to investigate and I think they're going to be the issue with the Kribs but all I can do is sit and wait and hope it all goes smoothly ... I literally don't have the money to set up a breeding tank in the next 24 hours (not even in the next week) :(

    Anyway, here's a couple of images of the female guarding the clutch of eggs on the fake rock ornament haha
    4ft, 140L:
    14 x Pentazona Barbs
    10 x Golden Barbs
    2 x Kribensis (m&f)
    1 x Albino Rainbow Shark
    3 x Bristlenose Plecs

    3ft, 60-80L:
    1 x Musk Turtle

    2ft, 54L:
    8 x Glowlight Tetra
    3 x Otocinclus

    3ft, 100L:
    3 x Red Hump Eartheater Cichlid (Geophagus steindachneri)
    1 x Bandit Cichlid (Guianacara stergiosi)
    10 x Bristlenose Plec Juveniles (approx 1"+)
    4 x Lemon Bristlenose Plec - 2 breeding pairs
    2 x Tiger Plec (L002) breeding pair

    50L grow-out tank:
    50+? x Bristlenose Plec fry and Lemon Plec Dad from 3ft, 100L tank.

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    Re: Belated logging trip
    « Reply #32 on: March 30, 2017, 10:08:23 pm »
    Congrats :)
    Hope it goes well for you and hopefully they'll have enough space for everyone to keep out of their way.
    It was one of my concerns with our apistos but no eggs yet just a female with an attitude lol


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    Re: Belated logging trip
    « Reply #33 on: March 30, 2017, 10:34:40 pm »
    Hopefully someone is able to respond to this message soon ... Would it be advisable to move the Kribs to my currently empty cycled shrimp tank? And how would I go about it? Do I move the ornament (with the eggs on) first and then the Kribs or the other way round and both of the Kribs or just the female?
    4ft, 140L:
    14 x Pentazona Barbs
    10 x Golden Barbs
    2 x Kribensis (m&f)
    1 x Albino Rainbow Shark
    3 x Bristlenose Plecs

    3ft, 60-80L:
    1 x Musk Turtle

    2ft, 54L:
    8 x Glowlight Tetra
    3 x Otocinclus

    3ft, 100L:
    3 x Red Hump Eartheater Cichlid (Geophagus steindachneri)
    1 x Bandit Cichlid (Guianacara stergiosi)
    10 x Bristlenose Plec Juveniles (approx 1"+)
    4 x Lemon Bristlenose Plec - 2 breeding pairs
    2 x Tiger Plec (L002) breeding pair

    50L grow-out tank:
    50+? x Bristlenose Plec fry and Lemon Plec Dad from 3ft, 100L tank.

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    Re: Belated logging trip
    « Reply #34 on: March 31, 2017, 09:43:05 am »
    Don't move anything, wait and see.
    With a 4' tank and broken lines-of-sight you should/could be ok. :)
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    Re: Belated logging trip
    « Reply #35 on: March 31, 2017, 11:50:13 am »
    Thanks Ian! :)

    I just hope the rest of the fish will be ok too once/if the eggs hatch. Hope the female is a good first time mother (just not too defensive to the point of being offensive)
    4ft, 140L:
    14 x Pentazona Barbs
    10 x Golden Barbs
    2 x Kribensis (m&f)
    1 x Albino Rainbow Shark
    3 x Bristlenose Plecs

    3ft, 60-80L:
    1 x Musk Turtle

    2ft, 54L:
    8 x Glowlight Tetra
    3 x Otocinclus

    3ft, 100L:
    3 x Red Hump Eartheater Cichlid (Geophagus steindachneri)
    1 x Bandit Cichlid (Guianacara stergiosi)
    10 x Bristlenose Plec Juveniles (approx 1"+)
    4 x Lemon Bristlenose Plec - 2 breeding pairs
    2 x Tiger Plec (L002) breeding pair

    50L grow-out tank:
    50+? x Bristlenose Plec fry and Lemon Plec Dad from 3ft, 100L tank.

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    Re: Belated logging trip
    « Reply #36 on: March 31, 2017, 03:20:18 pm »
    Well, there's some strange behaviour to report ...

    The female appears to be eating the eggs, or not defending them to the point where the Barbs are coming in and pecking them but I've not seen it happen once and there's about 20% of the amount of eggs there was last night :(

    The female also doesn't seem aggressive at all when guarding the spot (she's still guarding the remaining eggs) and she keeps 'cleaning' them but I swear I just saw her take some in her mouth and then start doing that fish equivalent of chewing that they do with food...

    She's also occasionally, not often but I've seen her do it twice, rubbing both of her sides on the gravel... Could there be a medical issue here? I will try to get a decent shot of her but I honestly can't see anything the matter with her ... My OH says that she still looks as though shes full of eggs too and thinks that there's an egg stuck or something trying to come out... I'll get some images and try and capture what my OH is saying :)

    I'll just upload some of the images ...
    « Last Edit: March 31, 2017, 03:24:40 pm by Pilgrim89 »
    4ft, 140L:
    14 x Pentazona Barbs
    10 x Golden Barbs
    2 x Kribensis (m&f)
    1 x Albino Rainbow Shark
    3 x Bristlenose Plecs

    3ft, 60-80L:
    1 x Musk Turtle

    2ft, 54L:
    8 x Glowlight Tetra
    3 x Otocinclus

    3ft, 100L:
    3 x Red Hump Eartheater Cichlid (Geophagus steindachneri)
    1 x Bandit Cichlid (Guianacara stergiosi)
    10 x Bristlenose Plec Juveniles (approx 1"+)
    4 x Lemon Bristlenose Plec - 2 breeding pairs
    2 x Tiger Plec (L002) breeding pair

    50L grow-out tank:
    50+? x Bristlenose Plec fry and Lemon Plec Dad from 3ft, 100L tank.

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    Re: Belated logging trip
    « Reply #37 on: March 31, 2017, 03:47:05 pm »
    Sooooo, here's some images of the Kribs and their eggs (or the lack thereof) ...
    4ft, 140L:
    14 x Pentazona Barbs
    10 x Golden Barbs
    2 x Kribensis (m&f)
    1 x Albino Rainbow Shark
    3 x Bristlenose Plecs

    3ft, 60-80L:
    1 x Musk Turtle

    2ft, 54L:
    8 x Glowlight Tetra
    3 x Otocinclus

    3ft, 100L:
    3 x Red Hump Eartheater Cichlid (Geophagus steindachneri)
    1 x Bandit Cichlid (Guianacara stergiosi)
    10 x Bristlenose Plec Juveniles (approx 1"+)
    4 x Lemon Bristlenose Plec - 2 breeding pairs
    2 x Tiger Plec (L002) breeding pair

    50L grow-out tank:
    50+? x Bristlenose Plec fry and Lemon Plec Dad from 3ft, 100L tank.

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    Re: Belated logging trip
    « Reply #38 on: March 31, 2017, 08:25:25 pm »
    I have had a little trek into the wilderness of the internet and came across a few examples of situations of fish rubbing their sides on the gravel but there not being any signs of Ich and I was made aware that fish could sometimes exhibit that behaviour when ammonia is too high in the water (anything above 0ppm) so I have done a test on ammonia, nitrite and nitrate and did a high range ph test while I was at it too, results are below :)

    Ammonia: 0.25
    Nitrite: 0.0
    Nitrate: 80
    High Range ph: 7.8 (hasn't budged at all, not that I expected it too)

    Actions: small water changes over the weekend, starting tonight. Going to do a small change (about 10-15% each day for at least 2 days - tonight, tomorrow a 40-50% and Sunday a 10-15% - in total around 60-70% new water)
    4ft, 140L:
    14 x Pentazona Barbs
    10 x Golden Barbs
    2 x Kribensis (m&f)
    1 x Albino Rainbow Shark
    3 x Bristlenose Plecs

    3ft, 60-80L:
    1 x Musk Turtle

    2ft, 54L:
    8 x Glowlight Tetra
    3 x Otocinclus

    3ft, 100L:
    3 x Red Hump Eartheater Cichlid (Geophagus steindachneri)
    1 x Bandit Cichlid (Guianacara stergiosi)
    10 x Bristlenose Plec Juveniles (approx 1"+)
    4 x Lemon Bristlenose Plec - 2 breeding pairs
    2 x Tiger Plec (L002) breeding pair

    50L grow-out tank:
    50+? x Bristlenose Plec fry and Lemon Plec Dad from 3ft, 100L tank.

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    Re: Belated logging trip
    « Reply #39 on: March 31, 2017, 09:59:44 pm »
    Just done a 25-30 litre w/c and filled it with about 8-9 litres of more water than it had before so now the water sits about 1.5-2cm off the black rim of the glass rather than 2-3 inches and I must say that the tank looks kinda different ... I can't explain it haha

    In other news, I think I'm going to have to get saving a few quid each week and get myself an external filter in a couple of months (might be able to borrow some money to speed up the wait - needs must). Those results got me a bit nervous and gave me the nudge I thought I was going to get in a couple of months to get the tank converted to external but hey ho! I'm getting it done a lot sooner haha

    Will obviously keep everyone posted :)

    Anyone got suggestions for low priced but decent quality externals? (I'm thinking I might just opt for another Jebao Pump Professional 750lph unit that I'll be soon converting the Turtle tank to but will see how that copes with the turtles first)
    4ft, 140L:
    14 x Pentazona Barbs
    10 x Golden Barbs
    2 x Kribensis (m&f)
    1 x Albino Rainbow Shark
    3 x Bristlenose Plecs

    3ft, 60-80L:
    1 x Musk Turtle

    2ft, 54L:
    8 x Glowlight Tetra
    3 x Otocinclus

    3ft, 100L:
    3 x Red Hump Eartheater Cichlid (Geophagus steindachneri)
    1 x Bandit Cichlid (Guianacara stergiosi)
    10 x Bristlenose Plec Juveniles (approx 1"+)
    4 x Lemon Bristlenose Plec - 2 breeding pairs
    2 x Tiger Plec (L002) breeding pair

    50L grow-out tank:
    50+? x Bristlenose Plec fry and Lemon Plec Dad from 3ft, 100L tank.

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    Re: Belated logging trip
    « Reply #40 on: April 01, 2017, 10:12:12 am »
    The pic looks more like the ovipositor than a stuck egg. She looks like she's eaten quite a lot (the bulge at the front shows that).

    Cichlids do usually take several attempts before they get spawning and hatching right.
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    Re: Belated logging trip
    « Reply #41 on: April 01, 2017, 02:15:27 pm »
    Thanks! :)

    What you said about Cichlids taking several attempts would make sense what with her not exactly managing to keep a hold of her eggs! ... There's about 7 or 8 left now (there was about 60 or 70 the day we spotted them - strange thing is, she's defending them quite well from the Barbs. So much so that I've only seen the Barbs within about 2-3 inches of the eggs a couple of times). She's still defending the last few remaining eggs though. Could she be eating them if they're not good eggs?
    4ft, 140L:
    14 x Pentazona Barbs
    10 x Golden Barbs
    2 x Kribensis (m&f)
    1 x Albino Rainbow Shark
    3 x Bristlenose Plecs

    3ft, 60-80L:
    1 x Musk Turtle

    2ft, 54L:
    8 x Glowlight Tetra
    3 x Otocinclus

    3ft, 100L:
    3 x Red Hump Eartheater Cichlid (Geophagus steindachneri)
    1 x Bandit Cichlid (Guianacara stergiosi)
    10 x Bristlenose Plec Juveniles (approx 1"+)
    4 x Lemon Bristlenose Plec - 2 breeding pairs
    2 x Tiger Plec (L002) breeding pair

    50L grow-out tank:
    50+? x Bristlenose Plec fry and Lemon Plec Dad from 3ft, 100L tank.

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    Re: Belated logging trip
    « Reply #42 on: April 02, 2017, 12:24:32 pm »
    Maybe, or she just got spooked and panicked.
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    Re: Belated logging trip
    « Reply #43 on: April 03, 2017, 07:13:14 pm »
    Well, as of yesterday, there were no eggs left and the site abandoned and the Kribs are just swimming around as they were before so that would lead me to the only conclusion: the eggs had been eaten by someone in the tank. Oh well, onwards and upwards, that was their first time I think so we'll have to hold out for the next time :)

    In other news: With a big thank you to Stevie, I've been able to upgrade the filtration in this tank from an APS 700lph internal to a Fluval U4!!!  *grin* The flow is impressive, even on the lowest setting! The flow is now reaching the end of the tank, easily and on low setting! I cut up the foam from my APS filter and inserted it into the Fluval which should mean I'll be alright but I will monitor the tank with regular testing and water changes if needed, Stevie also kindly kitted the Fluval out with some new foams (coarse, medium & fine - I replaced some of the coarse foam for the foam out of the APS filter). The fish seem livelier, which is good to see (they're not being blown around the tank though! haha just thought I'd clarify that) :)
    4ft, 140L:
    14 x Pentazona Barbs
    10 x Golden Barbs
    2 x Kribensis (m&f)
    1 x Albino Rainbow Shark
    3 x Bristlenose Plecs

    3ft, 60-80L:
    1 x Musk Turtle

    2ft, 54L:
    8 x Glowlight Tetra
    3 x Otocinclus

    3ft, 100L:
    3 x Red Hump Eartheater Cichlid (Geophagus steindachneri)
    1 x Bandit Cichlid (Guianacara stergiosi)
    10 x Bristlenose Plec Juveniles (approx 1"+)
    4 x Lemon Bristlenose Plec - 2 breeding pairs
    2 x Tiger Plec (L002) breeding pair

    50L grow-out tank:
    50+? x Bristlenose Plec fry and Lemon Plec Dad from 3ft, 100L tank.

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    Re: Belated logging trip
    « Reply #44 on: April 04, 2017, 09:37:55 am »
    So, due to various things over the weekend, I had lapses of concentration and never got all three water changes done ... I'm going to do another one today as I've just done another water change and it needs doing but I've got Jobcentre to deal with first so that's more important (to them).

    Results for today are:

    Ammonia: 0.25
    Nitrite: 0.0
    Nitrate: 80

    Action: Will do a 25% w/c when I get back in this afternoon and will test this evening or tomorrow and then do another 25% w/c tomorrow afternoon after college
    4ft, 140L:
    14 x Pentazona Barbs
    10 x Golden Barbs
    2 x Kribensis (m&f)
    1 x Albino Rainbow Shark
    3 x Bristlenose Plecs

    3ft, 60-80L:
    1 x Musk Turtle

    2ft, 54L:
    8 x Glowlight Tetra
    3 x Otocinclus

    3ft, 100L:
    3 x Red Hump Eartheater Cichlid (Geophagus steindachneri)
    1 x Bandit Cichlid (Guianacara stergiosi)
    10 x Bristlenose Plec Juveniles (approx 1"+)
    4 x Lemon Bristlenose Plec - 2 breeding pairs
    2 x Tiger Plec (L002) breeding pair

    50L grow-out tank:
    50+? x Bristlenose Plec fry and Lemon Plec Dad from 3ft, 100L tank.