Thanks Paul, I'll have a google at those later.I've looked at the V-Strom, and I really liked it, need to be the full in GT version.I love Triumphs, I'd actually love a Daytona, and if I had a bike purely for pleasure, that would be it. Tigers are nice too, and saw a Trophy 900 for a steal, but it was quite oid.As for what engine size - it's not so much about the insurance, but the fuel economy. I think I'm the only person on the planet who's looking at bike mpg! It's so hard to find it out. However, V-Strom 650 (2012 model) will do about 55mpg, Trophy 900 does 45mpg, so the smaller engine is preferable. What were your concerns over the 650s vs the 800s?