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Title: 240 wonderland
Post by: chrisjj on October 20, 2015, 10:21:58 pm
so I recently acquired a 240ltr jewel for £30!!
....and the journey begins.....


Haven't cleaned it or anything, but have started planning.


Decided on redmoor wood (lots!!) and Baltic rock, but not decided on the "visible" substrate - light or dark - what do you think?!


The back will be painted black.


It will be a heavily planted tank, but not sure about co2 yet, so maybe no carpet (hence the visible substrate).


Opinions welcome....




Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: Stephen on October 20, 2015, 10:29:46 pm
That is a bargain find, well done.
Do you have a filter yet?

I would go with sand if considering corydoras, not dark, not light but something in between.
This is what I use (from Maidenhead Aquatics):-
(http://www.asdl.eclipse.co.uk/fish/unipac_sand.jpg)

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Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: Briganti on October 20, 2015, 10:36:37 pm
Did you actually just mug them for the tank and then feel bad so left them 30 quid?  *grin*
Some great bits of redmoor there. Yeah, a mid coloured sand would be good.
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: chrisjj on October 20, 2015, 10:38:38 pm
No filter yet - possibly 2x all pond solutions 1000lph to get good circulation if I go co2.


No cory - I'm concentrating on a scape, so no fish that will trash it!!


There will be many shrimp, and a large shoal of small fish - possibly circa 50 green rasbora.


Mid coloured sand might not suit the hardscape??
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: Sonic on October 20, 2015, 10:41:02 pm
I always go Black Limpopo (I bought a new bag from a guy on a FB group recently for £15 and he gave me around £100 worth of brand new ferts, bargain!!)


The wood looks great.


Did the police give chase once the seller found out you had robbed him?  *grin*


Great bargain!
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: Briganti on October 20, 2015, 10:45:34 pm
I have the swell samoa sand in one tank and quite like that. Its dark but not too dark, makes the plants look quite green.
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: BingMolly on October 21, 2015, 09:18:47 am
Another fan of limpopo sand here. Really makes the colours of the plants and even wood pop. Love it,  though did take me a while to find a stockist as most were sold out.

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Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: fr499y on October 21, 2015, 09:45:59 am
Light sand. With a black background, dark sand might be too much?
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: Mr_Twister on October 21, 2015, 02:38:12 pm
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/21/7366db07f1b046cd0249f070d3b7d9ca.jpg)
Limpopo sand and black background on my Roma 200 :)


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Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: Drunken horse on October 21, 2015, 03:06:00 pm
Another vote for Limpopo.  I started off with light coloured sands and backgrounds.  Alll 3 tanks have black sand and backgrounds now.  My shy fish come out a lot more with black sand and plants and fish colours look sharper for it.  Limpopo is just great small and smooth like sand but the grains are bigger and heavier makimg it easier to plant and meaning it settles quicker.
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: chrisjj on October 21, 2015, 04:43:16 pm
I be using a plant substrate for heavily planted areas (eco-complete).
The sand will be mainly for the exposed areas.
That limpopo sand looks like it has ligths grains in it, rather than all dark - can you confirm. 
The black unipac sand I got (in my pic) appears all dark, but I haven't seen it wet yet.
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: Mr_Twister on October 21, 2015, 04:45:44 pm
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/21/3cef6203dededf1364ce858dcd463c9d.jpg)
Unipac Limpopo close-up.


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Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: chrisjj on October 21, 2015, 04:50:58 pm
Excellent - thank you very much.
 
Dark, but looks a light dark, if you get what I mean!!
The black unipac sand I got just said black on the label, but assume it is the limpopo. Will see what its like in water.
 
I'll keep looking ...
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: Drunken horse on October 21, 2015, 05:29:08 pm
It will say limpopo on the label.  I have Unipac black in 2 of my tanks it is darker than limpopo and quite a bit messier as its lighter
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: Mr_Twister on October 21, 2015, 05:36:15 pm
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/21/539b0885d25d1da34befcb6f870f8e10.jpg)
What he said^^ :)


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Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: BingMolly on October 21, 2015, 08:49:22 pm
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/21/ab07120616a5be7ca476445771c26fa5.jpg)

Another pic of limpopo sand and black background. Excuse the ornaments at the front. Bacteria purpose only ;)
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: Sonic on October 21, 2015, 08:59:30 pm
More Black & Black.


Your mosses in one of these photo's!!
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: chrisjj on October 21, 2015, 09:04:14 pm
Excellent - looks like black is darker than Limpopo then.


Haha! I must be sending too much moss!!
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: JAX3000 on October 22, 2015, 12:04:38 pm
I'll join in...
Unipac Limpopo Black Sand and painted black background
I like that it's a mixture of lighter and darker. It looks really natural and I find it easy to plant in and my corys love it (in case you change your mind and get some corys later...)
Gets my vote anyway.

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Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: chrisjj on November 02, 2015, 11:32:49 am
So, looking like black unipac (not limpopo) and will have a white sand "path".
Plant substrate will be activ-flora black....
 
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: chrisjj on November 27, 2015, 11:13:56 pm
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/27/01fc3db76fe2bc03fe575412703e5e2f.jpg)(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/27/1a303bd700d9cedf3b05bc7db969a354.jpg)(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/27/29fcc70af368185c7f1ad1985f3de251.jpg)(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/27/d507edce2ddf79287b9213fb22ad460b.jpg)


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Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: chrisjj on November 27, 2015, 11:16:22 pm
Trying to work out tapatalk!!


Slowly getting stuff together!
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: morsome on November 28, 2015, 08:42:25 am
Looks like a good collection of stuff to me!


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Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: taffy72 on November 28, 2015, 11:59:02 am
my next tropical setup will be black sand too my son has it in his and it looks much better than my light sand atm .
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: Stephen on November 28, 2015, 12:39:25 pm
It's coming together ...  *applause*
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: plankton on November 29, 2015, 10:07:56 am
The root looks very interesting.
Good collection. :)
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: chrisjj on December 05, 2015, 03:22:20 pm
Started set up.
Thoughts appreciated....(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/05/357a96dbca46be1418af1fabad59f7a1.jpg)(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/05/8b63c81b86609873e5dc98a9d3fe048c.jpg)(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/05/bd61e83f2f5d64599639341c3db258c0.jpg)


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Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: chrisjj on December 05, 2015, 03:27:17 pm
Haha! Can't upload any more at the moment!!


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Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: chrisjj on December 05, 2015, 03:34:46 pm
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/05/5e500be112a265865c6385f0c091e428.jpg)(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/05/99d4e0f5678b1192a365a61620708f87.jpg)


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Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: chrisjj on December 05, 2015, 03:37:44 pm
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/05/ba832c9d27bde3ed7a82c31593190de7.jpg)(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/05/e1dd46c8789a9b409ffbc39c08399f52.jpg)(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/05/bcc69e7d3d738956322dd5dfa8b5c9c4.jpg)


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Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: chrisjj on December 05, 2015, 03:38:44 pm
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Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: John_Bonn on December 05, 2015, 03:55:09 pm
Looking good.  thumbsup

Live plants to go in?
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: Stephen on December 05, 2015, 06:56:04 pm
I like that Chris .. well done so far  *applause*
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: plankton on December 06, 2015, 09:14:14 am
You're another one of those annoying people who are rather good at aquascaping. I'd forgotten how good you are..... :P
*grin*
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: bustersmate on December 06, 2015, 11:50:38 am
 *applause* SUPERB  *applause*
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: chrisjj on December 07, 2015, 10:07:21 am
Thank you Ian... I think! Haha.
 
Not qhite sure about the layout yet, playing around with the wood and a few small rocks - I'm happy with the basic concept though.
 
Live plants will include a considerable amount of xmas moss (currently cultivating in another tank), as a carpet to hide the black / white sand divide, anubais nana, green crypts and vallis nana at the rear.  Still working on others.
 
Won't happen for a while though, need to get xmas hecticness out of the way!
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: chrisjj on December 21, 2015, 05:31:26 pm
Update:
Nothing! absolutely nothing!  :mad:
This will be going in a different room after I can get rid of the piano to make space, and god knows when that will be :/
Aaaarrrgh  >:D
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: JimmyMilne on December 22, 2015, 10:14:25 pm
Wow Chrisjj!

This is incredible! I'm so jealous! Where did you get those divider things from for the sand divide? It looks insanely good! I would keep the sharp contrast between the two sands personally, but hey! That's what I prefer!

All in all, though, this is a really nice tank so far!


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Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: chrisjj on December 23, 2015, 08:44:02 am
Thank you Jimmy.
The divider is plastic lawn edging, which has been cut and siliconed in place.  I've used it before in other tanks and it works really well.
https://www.tropicalfishforums.co.uk/index.php?topic=21512.msg257354#msg257354 (https://www.tropicalfishforums.co.uk/index.php?topic=21512.msg257354#msg257354)
If left, over time the sands will mix and look a bit crap - I'm hoping that by covering the join with moss, the contrast will be maintained.
Potential fot the tank to be in place between Xmas& New Year  *grin*  fingers crossed!......
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: plankton on December 23, 2015, 10:01:01 am
Can't the piano fall out of a window....? (Apologies for the sacrilege in this post to all music lovers like myself......but it does make for amusing slapstick.....) ;) *grin*
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: kieranhunter on December 23, 2015, 10:24:48 am
Love the way you used the separators.
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: chrisjj on January 22, 2016, 06:52:10 pm
Progress - piano gone, tank moved into place, setting up can progress 😀
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: chrisjj on January 31, 2016, 08:47:07 am
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160131/6908554ac04ace81779587445033c523.jpg)

In position, filters set up.  Slowly progressing!!


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Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: plankton on January 31, 2016, 09:33:01 am
That looks pretty impressive! *grin*
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: JimmyMilne on February 07, 2016, 04:52:08 pm
I need to work out how to unfollow these logs...

Makes me jealous every time I come on here!  *nice* *laugh*

Can't wait to get my 90L I have planned.... Well done on this one!
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: chrisjj on March 03, 2016, 09:55:00 am
I've been allowed to have one uninterrupted day over the Easter weekend to set up the tank!!
Wood soaking, about 30 little slate plates (so far) with tied moss cultivating, plant list being worked on, fish list being worked on........ *grin*
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: morsome on March 03, 2016, 10:38:18 am

I've been allowed to have one uninterrupted day over the Easter weekend to set up the tank!!

Super exciting!
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: plankton on March 03, 2016, 11:48:03 am
Lucky you! *grin*
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: chrisjj on March 22, 2016, 02:59:40 pm
Friday is tank day!  *grin*

Plant list so far - valis nana for the rear - right across.
Loads of anubias petite amongst the wood.
loads of xmas moss around the rocks.

That's as far as I've got - any other ideas? - they need to be low demand for this tank - no CO2 etc...

Main shoal I'm thinking silver tipped tetra - circa 40
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: chrisjj on March 22, 2016, 03:59:26 pm
a bit of bacopa compacta and java fern trident in there too.
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: chrisgwynne on March 22, 2016, 09:33:00 pm
Stunning tank!!

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Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: plankton on March 23, 2016, 08:44:10 am
Could you try bucephanlandra, I don't think it needs high-tech?
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: fr499y on March 23, 2016, 09:22:01 am
Could you try bucephanlandra, I don't think it needs high-tech?

pretty much same care as anubias, little slower growing though!
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: chrisjj on March 23, 2016, 10:06:49 am
Looks interesting - might try a couple...
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: chrisjj on March 23, 2016, 10:23:16 am
Plants bought - ditched the bacopa.

Not long now! *grin*.......
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: chrisjj on March 27, 2016, 10:15:12 am
....(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160327/8c8a7f62ac4cbf122f29ab03ca5a648a.jpg)


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Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: chrisjj on March 27, 2016, 10:20:17 am
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160327/d0c64a61b41e2729a235cbe34f1e99c3.jpg)


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Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: chrisjj on March 27, 2016, 10:21:40 am
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160327/ef8eb6c29d351d7b5d10f174c0a09a75.jpg)(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160327/35ab3a713613e19d4455bd0e2a691911.jpg)(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160327/b78b58963dfd9271aaa2296f0fd6248a.jpg)


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Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: plankton on March 28, 2016, 08:24:22 am
This looks very promising. ;) *grin*
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: chrisjj on March 28, 2016, 11:08:02 pm
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Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: tomcolville on March 29, 2016, 10:10:03 am
Looks amazing

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Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: plankton on March 29, 2016, 10:46:15 am
Whoa! Will you stop it please! ;) *grin*
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: JAX3000 on April 23, 2016, 10:32:12 am
Beautiful! Do we know about your stock list yet?

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Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: kas on April 23, 2016, 01:04:01 pm
That's a very stylish tank!! Looks wonderful thumbsup
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: chrisjj on May 03, 2016, 12:22:17 pm
Currently 21 silver tipped tetra, 1x oto, 4x amano shrimp and about 20 RCS.

Tanks doing fine with no algae and no issues, but have a query....

It is low tech - low light, no CO2 and no ferts.  There is plant substrate in.  All plants are low demand and still establishing themselves, but should I be adding liquid ferts too, or will that upset what is a stable tank at the moment.
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: JAX3000 on May 03, 2016, 07:02:47 pm
I'm no expert, but I'm sure I recall asking the same question (before I ended up with co2) and the answers I got where yes, the plants will still benefit massively from liquid ferts as well as the planting substrate. If you use ei frets like this... http://www.aquariumplantfood.co.uk/fertilisers/dry-chemicals/starter-kits/ei-starter-kit.html I believe they recommend using 1/3 dose with no co2 at all or 1/2 dose with "liquid carbon" which is another thing I'd consider...

I'm sure more experienced will add to this, but I'm fairly confident this is acurate :)

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Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: kas on May 03, 2016, 07:09:52 pm
I use EI Ferts and liquid carbon. Jax3000 is correct, I reduce the amount of EI ferts that I add to the tank by 50%.
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: plankton on May 04, 2016, 07:43:03 am
I don't use ferts or substrate with my low-tech tanks........
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: chrisjj on May 04, 2016, 10:02:20 am
I don't use ferts or substrate with my low-tech tanks........

Yes, my point! was supposed to be proper low tech but cant help tinkering. haha!
Liquid CO2 would be expensive over time but I do EI dose in my high tech tank, so could do that.  Just don't want to upset the balance and get an algae issue, but would like to help the plants a bit.
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: fr499y on May 04, 2016, 02:18:17 pm
never bothered on my low tech tanks. Never bothered with the planted oscar tank. Plants will benefit from liquid co2 more on its own.
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: chrisjj on May 04, 2016, 04:14:29 pm
Ah, so liquid CO2 would be more worthwhile and just rely on the plant substrate for ferts?
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: JAX3000 on May 05, 2016, 07:45:13 pm
Neutro Co2 is reasonably priced and I believe they're all much of a muchness...

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Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: fr499y on May 06, 2016, 03:43:27 pm
Ah, so liquid CO2 would be more worthwhile and just rely on the plant substrate for ferts?

Yup.

Even when i was using pressurized co2 i didn't dose any ferts :)
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: Azrimic on May 07, 2016, 01:31:14 pm
How's the tank looking now? I've been quietly following this with great interest (I'm setting up my first tank in a few months and have been gathering bits for it for the past few) and would love to see how yours is progressing.


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Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: chrisjj on May 08, 2016, 10:38:14 pm
Not much happening with these slow growing plants!
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: JAX3000 on May 09, 2016, 05:56:16 pm
Still, looks awesome. Those paths really look like they go off into the distance. Very clever. I like it.

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Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: kas on May 09, 2016, 06:48:45 pm
Patience. It's going to be a beautiful scape (it is already!).
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: Feliss on May 09, 2016, 06:55:21 pm
Those paths really look like they go off into the distance. Very clever. I like it.

Yup! Don't normally like substrate mixing dark and light but it looks so good here.
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: chrisjj on June 21, 2016, 09:32:28 am
Goddam fish keep eating my shrimp! :/....

... maybe I should actually feed the fish occasionally!!  *blink*
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: plankton on June 21, 2016, 10:42:27 am
They do tend to do that.......
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: chrisjj on December 01, 2016, 01:32:45 pm
Oooh, significant change since that last pic!  Must post an update soon! .....
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: plankton on December 01, 2016, 01:38:00 pm
Hello Chris! *grin*
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: chrisjj on December 01, 2016, 01:41:29 pm
Hi Ian  *grin* Been away far too long!!
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: hanssg on December 01, 2016, 05:06:59 pm
you been on holiday to the moon lol
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: Gingerlove05 on December 01, 2016, 05:17:16 pm
Looking forward to this update :)


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Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: chrisjj on December 02, 2016, 09:30:21 pm
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161202/11da16836a91f85f316edb7894ff533b.jpg)

Moss not really taking off so might remove all and add moe Anubias, but the Vallis is taking off. Might actually need a trim soon :)


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Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: chrisjj on December 02, 2016, 09:33:26 pm
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Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: SBM on December 02, 2016, 09:52:36 pm
S T U N N I N G  thumbsup
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: Gingerlove05 on December 02, 2016, 11:21:38 pm
It does look very good vallis is grown really well ;)


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Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: plankton on December 03, 2016, 01:20:20 pm
Really, really nice, Chris. *grin*
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: Feliss on December 03, 2016, 07:53:56 pm
You can't beat anubias for looking good easily. There are quite a few different looking ones so can get a nice variety in the look.

It's looking really great though :)
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: Drunken horse on December 03, 2016, 08:08:18 pm
Looks great.  As I've discovered recently although anubias are slow growing they get to a point where they just explode.  Mine have been in my tank just over a year and got barely any growth for almost the year but in last few months its gone to the point where I'm now looking at how to cut it back
Title: Re: 240 wonderland
Post by: kieranhunter on December 05, 2016, 07:51:43 pm
Oooo this looks so good, I love that wood. I need some wood.


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