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Title: 200l AquaOak (Video Added 29/09)
Post by: Kedge on August 20, 2012, 09:38:20 pm
Have at last got my tank from Maidenhead Aquatics  *grin*

Yesterday I managed to get the substrate cleaned and the tank filled with RO water from Maindenhead Aquatics which was free of charge, although I'm starting to think I may regret using RO water for the water cycle. Also managed to get a cube of sponge filter from a mates aquarium which will hopefully help things along.

Here's how the tank is looking at the moment, lights have just been chucked in for now to get an idea of what the lights look like. The bogwood will get moved around, not even sure it's all going to stay at the moment either.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/DavidKeogh/Fish/utf-8BSU1BRzAyNjAuanBn.jpg)

Current setup is;
200l AquaOak Aquarium
Fluval 406
Fluval Vuetech Heater E200
Hagen GLO 39w T5 Twin Ballast
Vital Narva 39 Watt
Grolux Sylvania 39 Watt

Flourite Black Sand
Various Bogwood
Plants are on order from last-trading-post

Tank has now been running for just over 24hrs and these are the water stats after that period;
Ammonia - 0.25 ppm
Nitrite - 0 ppm
Nitrate - 5 ppm
PH - 7.4

According to the ammonia calculator I need to add 6.46 ml of ammonia, will try 4ml for now though.

Cheers
Dave
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: Kedge on August 20, 2012, 10:31:53 pm
Just added 5ml of ammonia and the test showed 1ppm, will leave it until the morning and see whether that's gone up anymore.
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: yorkiemad00 on August 20, 2012, 10:42:12 pm
Lovely tank. I absolutely adore those with the oak cabinents. Bet it will look amazing when planted out.

Lol MA are sneaky. I guess they will be charging you for the RO water needed for the water changes after you have finished cycling?

I found it cheaper to buy an RO unit off ebay. Under £50 including p&p. + £5 for a hosepipe tap attachment. Its a portable one so goes away when I have enough water (1.5H for 9L) I mix the 9L RO with 2L tap to make my desired hardness.
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: fruity on August 20, 2012, 10:52:33 pm
Are there many benefits from using a reverse osmosis doo-daa (technical term).
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: Kedge on August 21, 2012, 08:07:21 am
Lovely tank. I absolutely adore those with the oak cabinents. Bet it will look amazing when planted out.

Lol MA are sneaky. I guess they will be charging you for the RO water needed for the water changes after you have finished cycling?

I found it cheaper to buy an RO unit off ebay. Under £50 including p&p. + £5 for a hosepipe tap attachment. Its a portable one so goes away when I have enough water (1.5H for 9L) I mix the 9L RO with 2L tap to make my desired hardness.

They are really nice cabinets, I couldn't go for anything else after seeing them. Should last much better than a traditional vaneered cabinet.

Yea, they'll be charging for future water although I've got about 75l left over but I dare say that won't be any use in a few weeks time?

Interested to hear more about your RO unit, now I've got the tank filled I'm starting to think that a small RO unit set up like yours won't be too costlyu to run for a weekely water change, my only issue is the fact i'm on a water meter, although I could run it at my Mums since she's not.  I'm looking to have a South American setup once cycled so I need to lower my tap KH & GH.

Test this morning;
Ammonia - 0.5 ppm
Nitrite 0 ppm

Added 6ml of Ammonia and will test when I get home from work tonight.
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: jackiemcg34 on August 21, 2012, 11:33:45 am
gorgeous tank and cabinet, love the bogwood and I hope you are not leaving them cables like that lol
whats your tap water pH after being left out for 24 hours?  did you get readings for the tap gH, kH as well?
how do you know they are too high for the fish you want to keep?
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: Kedge on August 21, 2012, 12:03:00 pm
No, no lol. The cables will be routed around the back once i get some screws to mount the unit on the back and the bulb holders in the hood.

Hadn't tested the PH of the tap water after 24hrs, the PH wasn't the problem though with my tap water. GH was 16° & KH was 9°, bit too much for the Dwarf Cichlids really.
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: Kedge on August 21, 2012, 08:56:08 pm
Tonight's stats;

Ammonia - 1 ppm
Nitrite - 0 ppm

6ml of ammonia added.
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: Kedge on August 22, 2012, 12:04:22 pm
This morning I've also noticed on one of the bogwoods some white mold type substance, any ideas what this could be?

Ammonia is slowly creeping up.

Water stats;
Ammonia - 2 ppm
Nitrite - 0 ppm
Nitrate - 0 ppm
PH - 7.4
kh - 5°
gh - 5°

6ml pf ammonia added.
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: jam163 on August 22, 2012, 12:53:41 pm
It happens on new Bogwood, its nothing to worry about.  :-)
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: Kedge on August 22, 2012, 11:39:09 pm
That's ok then  *grin*
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: Kedge on August 23, 2012, 06:01:13 pm
Today's stats;

Ammonia - 1 ppm
Nitrite - 0 ppm

12ml of ammonia added since I've not got anywhere near the recommended 4 ppm yet *blink*, hope that won't be too much.
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: jackiemcg34 on August 23, 2012, 09:36:55 pm
there is a calculator off to the left <<< it will tell you how much to add to your tank when you tell it how much you have already to get to the 4ppm, or did you use it? lol  don't mind me :)
100litre tank takes around 5ml added ammonia, think you are a wee bitty over with adding 12 when you already had 1 lol
did you count the litres as you added them to get exact water content?  don't think at this stage it will matter that much :)
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: Kedge on August 23, 2012, 09:42:23 pm
Yea i used that tool, there's approx 155l in the tank and according the the calculator I only needed to add 6.46ml but that not proving to get me anywhere near 4ppm. I suppose the Homebase Ammonia might be pretty weak, doesn't say on the bottle.
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: jackiemcg34 on August 24, 2012, 12:40:32 pm
after a quick google, some say its 9.5% others say they had to double the dose to get the ammonia reading they needed to cycle :) happy adding :)
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: Kedge on August 24, 2012, 06:45:39 pm
Ahhh, that makes sense. I'd Googled it but quickly gave up *d'oh*

Well tested it today and can't quite make my mind up whether it's showing as 2 or 4 ppm on the API sheet. Will see how it is in the morning.
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: Kedge on August 26, 2012, 10:48:43 pm
Got the tank planted up yesterday, took the whole afternoon and in truth I didn't really find it the most enjoyable of tasks, just found the stem plants an absolute nightmare to stay put.

Here's how the tank is now looking;
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/DavidKeogh/Fish/IMAG0265-1.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/DavidKeogh/Fish/IMAG0266.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/DavidKeogh/Fish/IMAG0267.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/DavidKeogh/Fish/IMAG0268.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/DavidKeogh/Fish/IMAG0269.jpg)

Ammonia has been sitting at around 3ppm for the last couple of days so not added anymore.
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: fruity on August 26, 2012, 10:51:53 pm
Looking great, some lovely hug chunks of bogwood you have in there.
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: jackiemcg34 on August 27, 2012, 09:53:06 pm
love your wood :)
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: Kedge on August 28, 2012, 09:13:57 pm
Thanks guys, had more wood but decided it would be too cramped, just need some more hiding places for the fish.

Had some big changes  in the water in the last couple of days as well;

Yesterday;
Ammonia - 0.5ppm
Nitrite - 5ppm
Nitrate - 40-80ppm
                              12ml Ammonia added
Today
Ammonia - 0ppm
Nitrite - 5ppm
Nitrate - 160ppm

Added a half dose of ammonia today (6ml), was this the right thing to do or do I still need to do full doses?
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: jackiemcg34 on August 28, 2012, 10:02:45 pm
dose up to 2ppm now you have the high nitrites :) looking good, your cycle is flying :)
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: Kedge on August 29, 2012, 09:07:06 pm
It's certainly going well so far  *applause* just hope there are no stalls! Had to pull a few plants out as they were looking in a bad way, Egeria Densa & Vallisneria, the last Vallisneria might end up coming out as well though. Everything else looks like it's settled well and is growing on already.

Topped up an extra 3ml of ammonia last night to get it up to 2ppm. Tested today and the Nitrates have taken a big drop :confused: Is this anything to be concerned with?

Stats;
Ammonia - 0ppm
Nitrites - 5ppm
Nitrates - 20ppm
PH - 7.4
Added 12ml of ammonia.
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: Chrispo1972 on August 29, 2012, 09:54:13 pm
Your plants will be using some of the nitrates.
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: jackiemcg34 on August 29, 2012, 10:08:04 pm
some plants die back when in the new tank, their roots will be fine though if you give them a chance most will regrow fresh shoots/leaves :)  plants will be using any nitrates, plants are gooooddd :)
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: Kedge on August 30, 2012, 10:52:26 am
The Egeria Densa were well rotten and just stem plants, bits were floating all over the tank, maybe I was a bit hasty with the Vallisneria.

Added an extra 6ml of Ammonia last night to get it up to 2ppm, 12hrs later and the Ammonia is all gone. Do I need to add more again now or leave it until this evening? I'm assuming the fact it's eating up the ammonia that quickly it's a good thing?!
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: jackiemcg34 on August 30, 2012, 06:04:50 pm
its a good thing but only add once in 24 hours :) keep an eye on your nitrites and when they go to zero in 24 hours you are there :) keep that going a few days to be sure then the big water change, heater turned back down and off fish shopping :)
have you decided on stock yet?
whats your ph?
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: Kedge on August 30, 2012, 08:11:34 pm
Cool, I resisted until the evening just before leaving for work. The nitrates have gone back up again today and the nitrites have remained the same (although it may be higher than the 5ppm i'm quoting as that's as high as my API test kit displays). I've not tested the PH today but it was 7.4 yesterday.

Ammonia - 0ppm
Nitrite - 5ppm
Nitrate - 160ppm

Think my first fish will be a variety of Tetras then a couple of pairs of Dwarf Cichlids, some Sterbai Corys and a couple of Royal Whiptail Catfish. Can't wait! *grin*
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: Kedge on August 30, 2012, 08:32:35 pm
Stats for today are pretty much the same, just a drop in Nitrates. Did notice on the test that the Nitrites did take a minute or so longer to change the colour than previous tests. Forgot to do a PH test again. Algea is certainly getting quite thick now as well.

Ammonia - 0ppm
Nitrite - 5ppm
Nitrate - 80ppm
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: Kedge on September 02, 2012, 10:52:09 pm
Very little movement in the stats over the last few days, still using 12ml of Ammonia inside 24hrs, Nitrites are still sitting at 5pp, the Nitrates had been down at 80ppm but now back  up to 160ppm. PH is still at 7.4, will measure the GH & KH tomorrow as well.

Plants are growing well to which I'm happy about but the algae is going mad, and there looks to be different sorts, one of which is making a mess of the Christmas Tree Moss  :mad:
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: jackiemcg34 on September 03, 2012, 01:30:19 pm
about time for a new photo or three ;)
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: Kedge on September 04, 2012, 10:42:44 am
Well since you asked nicely, here's some of the greenery :P

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/DavidKeogh/Fish/IMAG0308.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/DavidKeogh/Fish/IMAG0309.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/DavidKeogh/Fish/IMAG0310.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/DavidKeogh/Fish/IMAG0311.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/DavidKeogh/Fish/IMAG0312.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/DavidKeogh/Fish/IMAG0312.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/DavidKeogh/Fish/IMAG0313.jpg)

Can see that the Vallisneria has proven me wrong about ditching the others no it throwing out a couple of runners and some growth on the main plant. Can also just about pick out some inhabitants I spotted last night, 4 tiny snails. Hope they're not the sort the bread like crazy.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/DavidKeogh/Fish/IMAG0315.jpg)

Water stats from yesterday;
Ammonia - 0ppm
Nitrite - 5ppm
Nitrate - 80ppm

Ph - 7.4
Kh - 5
Gh - 6
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: jackiemcg34 on September 04, 2012, 01:18:03 pm
its taking good shape, well done with the planting, not all in the substrate, gives a different view to the tank :)
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: Kedge on September 05, 2012, 09:27:06 pm
It's getting there, will be moving one of the Java Ferns as it's not tied very well and I'm in the process of making a cave to go on the back. Just hope the algae will bugger off, making things look really messy.

Big news on the water stats today..................BYE BYE NITRITES *applause*

Ammonia - 0ppm
Nitrites - 0ppm
Nitrates - 80ppm
12ml Ammonia Added.
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: jackiemcg34 on September 06, 2012, 09:26:33 am
why add that much ammonia? shouldn't you be aiming for 2ppm now?  so around 4ml to add?  or was yours the one that wouldn't work unless you added loads more than specified? sorry I get confused lol
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: Kedge on September 06, 2012, 10:16:11 am
Yea, 12ml gets me up to 2ppm rather than 6ml that the calculator said would get me to 4ppm.
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: jackiemcg34 on September 06, 2012, 10:33:52 am
certainly has been a fast cycle, well done :) when are you getting your fish?
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: Kedge on September 06, 2012, 10:38:45 am
It has, very happy about that! Sunday at the earliest but more likely Monday.

I've got some RO water left from when I filled the tank I've kept in water containers. Would this still be ok to use when I do the big water change or do I need to get fresh water?
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: Liz89 on September 06, 2012, 01:58:20 pm
Can't wait to see this one with fish in! It looks lovely so far!  *applause* I like the green on the wood it's really natural looking!
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: Kedge on September 06, 2012, 09:25:59 pm
The green on the wood is growing on me, just don't like it on the grass or on & amongst the plants. Noticed a huge jump in the snail population, counted 16 today, hope this isn't the beginnings of an infestation already.

Water stats are all good today again;
Ammonia - 0ppm
Nitrite - 0ppm
Nitrate - 80ppm
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: jackiemcg34 on September 07, 2012, 02:09:30 pm
I am sure the RO will be fine in the containers :) not long now :)
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: Kedge on September 08, 2012, 04:03:10 pm
That's good with the RO then, looks fine so fingers crossed it'll be good. Water stats are still good so all being well they'll be some fish in there tomorrow. What sort of numbers will be OK to add? Obviously need enough to produce enough ammonia for the filter bacteria. I went A5 aquatics and spoke to an old chap there who was saying no more than 8 fish and that I need to use some form of cycle safe treatment once the fish go in, but surely with the cycle I've done I don't need to do anything like that as my filter is already working. So far none of the aquatics places I've spoken to say the same thing or are aware of the fishless cycle I've been doing *dontknow*

Anyway, the algae is still growing thicker despite my every increasing snail population, there's definitely two types as well. My phone i'nt picking up good pictures of them since they're still so small. One sort has a flat Danish Swirl type shell (only seen 2 of these) and the others have the more common cone type shell.

While I was at A5 Aquatics I couldn't help myself and bought some thick bits of slate rock for to make a cave;
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/DavidKeogh/Fish/IMAG0322.jpg)

The Vallisneria is continuing to spread nicely, the baby plant and the right as sent out a runner of it's own and the one on the left looks like it's got one coming as well *grin*;
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/DavidKeogh/Fish/IMAG0323.jpg)
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: jackiemcg34 on September 08, 2012, 09:01:41 pm
yeah, they just don't get it, after you have cycled with ammonia you can fully stock your tank (mind and leave room for cory or neons as its best to add them to at least a 3 month with fish)
check aquadvisor for compatible fish and numbers, should help :)
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: Kedge on September 08, 2012, 09:30:33 pm
Ahhh, was hoping to add the neons early on, although considering Cardinals as well, do they fall into the same scenario?

Will I have to wait to add other Catfish such as Royal Whiptails?
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: jackiemcg34 on September 09, 2012, 08:51:33 pm
sorry don't know about those ones, shout plankton to confirm in the morning though if you are around before buying, think he comes in mainly in the mornings :)
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: fruity on September 10, 2012, 06:53:43 am
Seem to recall a post from plankton about a lot of cardinals having problems, was it in breeding or disease? I really do not recall, sorry, might be worth asking his most knowledgeable specifics, on what to check if you buy some.
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: jackiemcg34 on September 10, 2012, 04:50:40 pm
think its all overbreeding really which weakens the strains :)
neons used to be quite hardy a hunner years ago ;)
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: Kedge on September 10, 2012, 09:43:50 pm
That's what I've heard, will wait to add those then, if I go for them.

Well I have fish now, was hoping to get some in yesterday but by the time I'd had a few hours sleep after my nightshift and got the water change done I only had time to get to local aquatics but despite going to three none had anything I really wanted or that I was prepared to risk at this stage so I stayed patient and took a trip all the way up to Wharf Aquatics today! WOW, the fish looked much healthier than anywhere else I've been.

I chose to go for a modest number for the initial introduction. The first were already on the shopping list, 5 Black Phantom Tetras, 2 males and 3 females. Then the second group is 5 Rosy Tetras, was planning on Red Phantoms but saw these in the next tank and after several minutes thought I went for the Rosy's. Both groups are sticking fairly closely together.

Finally, despite having decided that I wouldn't be having any (although the last couple of days I had been looking at them again) I just couldn't resist and bought 3 Upside Down Catfish. I'd had these when I was a kid and they survived all my mistakes, a heater sticking on overnight and a tank change and never bothered any of the other fish, the only thing was I only had 2 and they just hid, since going into the tank this afternoon they have hardly stopped exploring even after putting the light on, very happy.

I've tried taking some pics but my phone really isn't very good at capturing  a decent pic of the fish, especially the Catfish!

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/DavidKeogh/Fish/IMAG0337.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/DavidKeogh/Fish/IMAG0340.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/DavidKeogh/Fish/IMAG0343.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/DavidKeogh/Fish/IMAG0344.jpg)
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: jackiemcg34 on September 11, 2012, 04:03:31 pm
lovely wee fish :)
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: Clo99 on September 16, 2012, 09:41:44 pm
Hi Kedge, it's looking good so far!  I like the dark substrate.

Out of interest, how long did you have to wait for delivery of your aqua oak, and what peripherals did MH Aquatics recommend (if at all).  I'm seriously thinking about getting one, with an Eheim external filter, and possibly LED lighting.  How have you attached your lights - did you buy mounting brackets or attach them to the hood?

I had a look at some upside down catfish today - interesting fish!
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: Kedge on September 17, 2012, 03:18:27 pm
Hi Clo, I think it was 3 to 4 weeks I had to wait as they were waiting for a shipment from the manufacturers. They wrote me out a list of things but didn't seem to want to do a package deal as such so I shopped around at other places.

I've just used the clips/mounts that came with the light unit and screwed them into the lid, one on the rear section and one on the opening.

I love upside down catfish, they only thing is they hide a hell of a lot. Mine have now all taken to the large inside of the large bogwood just right of center for the majority of the time.

I've also added a few more fish, I've upped the number of Rosy Tetras and Black Phantoms so I've got 2 males and 6 females of each I've also added 10 Ember Tetras which are doing a good job of adding activity to the more open areas of the tank.

Only issue I seem to have at the moment is I'm struggling to get the nitrates down since adding the fish I've done 3 50l water changes.
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: fruity on September 17, 2012, 06:30:47 pm
Looking very nice :) What's the next thing you'll tweak?
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: Kedge on September 17, 2012, 06:47:24 pm
There's already a few extra plants in there, will get some pics later. I'm still getting annoyed with the algae though, cleaned up some of the wood but most of the moss is clogged up quite badly. Not sure whether it's too early to add something like a Royal Whiptail Catfish or a small plec.
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: Clo99 on September 17, 2012, 09:16:22 pm
I don't think I have seen Ember tetras in my lfs.  They are lovely little fish. Don't think they would like my water though, as I struggle with my PH which is nudging 8 (if I am deciding the colour on the test kit correctly!)

My cardinals seem to cope OK with it, but I think they are much hardier than they used to be, whereas the neons are weaker nowadays. 

Fingers crossed the algae will settle down.  How long do you have your lights on for?
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: Kedge on September 17, 2012, 10:08:09 pm
They're not a fish I'd looked at at all, I'd even missed them in the shop until I saw them in a planted display tank. Read up about them before going back the next day to get them.

My Nitrates are down to 20ppm now which is the lowest I've got it so far and the algae does seem to be growing a bit slower so hopefully they'll come down some more and this will help starve the algae. I have the light on a timer for 8hrs a day.

I'd like some Cardinals at some point, I've read the same about them tending to be hardier than the Neons now, what sort of areas of the tank do the keep to? I'd like some more fish out in the more open areas of the tank as the Rosy's and Phantoms love playing around in the plants.

Here's some floating plants I've added which are being held in my a ring or airline.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/DavidKeogh/Fish/IMAG0346.jpg)

Some short grass in the left hand corner.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/DavidKeogh/Fish/IMAG0347.jpg)

Third plant added to the rear of the tank.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/DavidKeogh/Fish/IMAG0348.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/DavidKeogh/Fish/IMAG0350.jpg)
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: jackiemcg34 on September 18, 2012, 02:36:07 pm
think bristlenose plecs can be added to new tanks, its just the finicky picky super priced plecs that need special super dooper care than can't or rather shouldn't be :)
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: fruity on September 19, 2012, 05:54:16 pm
Super stuff, can you take a piccy of the whole tank in one shot :)
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: jackiemcg34 on September 19, 2012, 07:44:18 pm
august 20th to september 5th? very quick cycle, whats your secret?
       might have been the RO water?
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: Kedge on September 27, 2012, 02:11:05 pm
Super stuff, can you take a piccy of the whole tank in one shot :)

Will get one over the weekend for you :)

august 20th to september 5th? very quick cycle, whats your secret?
       might have been the RO water?

I'm not sure really, first time I've done this. I think the main factor might be that I got some filter sponge out of a mates filter to put in mine at the start.

Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: Kedge on September 27, 2012, 02:29:30 pm
Just a little update on how the tank is evolving. I've had to remove the floating weed as it was dying off quite quickly, not sure whether the lights were too much for it, but they're only on for 8hrs, so I need to find another type of floating weed to go in. I've also had to have a big chop back of the bushy plant next to the filter as that had quite a lot of dead in the middle of it, shame because the fish love swimming in that but it's looking healthy enough and throwing up new growth, all the other plants are growing on well.

The nitrates are still sitting at around 20ppm despite multiple water changes :confused: but the algae is rescinding nicely now, the fact that the snails are breeding like guppies is helping with that, I think I'll be adding Assassin snails before Christmas at this rate.

All the fish seem very happy, needless to say [email protected] not seeing much of the Upside Down Catfish but that was to be expected. All the Tetras are getting along, there's the on nipped fin on the Black Phantoms but they seem to heal quite quickly, only seems to be the females that are suffering. Really enjoying the Rosy and Black Phantoms as they seem to explore every parts of the tank, the only place I've not seem them swim into is the Catfish Layer, but then it's pitch black in there. They also seem to give the snails a lot of grief, especially at feeding time  :laughingcrying:

Will be doing another water change today or tomorrow and then hopefully going fish shopping at some point over the weekend. I've fallen for some Golden Eye Dwarf Cichlids at my local LFS but they'd sold out of females  *blink*
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: jackiemcg34 on September 27, 2012, 04:37:08 pm
20ppm nitrates are fine, panic a wee bit if they get to 120ppm :)
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak
Post by: Kedge on September 29, 2012, 04:48:54 pm
That's good then, thought it was best to get it down to single figures. Been for a look round and not find anything that grabs me to put in the tank just yet, everything I want seems to need a well established tank.

Here's a pic of the whole tank for fruity ;-)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/DavidKeogh/Fish/photo.jpg)

Couple of snails munching away, this algae covered about a third of the wood you can see in this pic. Also shows just how much mess they make in the process, all hoovered up now;
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/DavidKeogh/Fish/photo-1.jpg)

Also too a little video as a couple of days ago I dropped in a catfish pellet and the Tetras went mad for it, in the process the mail Rosy Tetras proved my comment wrong about them being wimps and not daring to go in the catfish layer :-D
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak (Video Added 29/09)
Post by: jackiemcg34 on September 29, 2012, 07:04:08 pm
lovely :)
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak (Video Added 29/09)
Post by: Clo99 on September 30, 2012, 02:26:52 pm
They all look happy and very active!
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak (Video Added 29/09)
Post by: Kedge on October 03, 2012, 04:46:21 pm
Thanks guys, all the Tetras are very active and also complete pigs, they really seem to enjoy swimming through the plants and in and out of the bogwood.

Well I added some fish fish on Sunday, think I may have jumped the gun a bit early but the guy at the LFS was pretty sure my tank would be ready for some Dwarf Cichlids since I've had no fluctuations in my water. I bought a pair of Rams and a pair of Cacatuoides.

All looked fine, eating dry and live food with no problems and very active, until I noticed last night before work that the female Ram was acting a bit odd. She seemed a bit lethargic and kept heading towards the surface, I also noticed that her mouth looked white but no sign on any fungal type fur and she was pouching her lips. Since I had very little time due to having to leave for work all I was able to do was a quick 20% water change as I've got no medication but it was no luck and she died over night  *rip*

Now onto a lighter note, the others are still looking fine and took food first thing this morning. Then this afternoon I noticed something quite exciting, since adding the Cacatuoide it had become apparent that the female had taken a shine to the spot under the heater, so much for them liking to hide in caves. Then as I was watching her today see kept pecking at the underside, on closer inspection it looks like she's laid some eggs *frantic*

Here's my male Ram out in open water;
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/DavidKeogh/Fish/photo-6.jpg)

Mrs Cacatuoide venturing away from the heater;
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/DavidKeogh/Fish/photo-4.jpg)

Tending to her eggs;
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/DavidKeogh/Fish/photo-5.jpg)

Her's Dad;
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/DavidKeogh/Fish/photo-7.jpg)

Excuse the dirty glass but I don't tend to keep the sides as clean as the front *giggle*
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak (Video Added 29/09)
Post by: jackiemcg34 on October 03, 2012, 05:44:03 pm
RIP wee ram :(

whoohoo the cockatooos :)
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak (Video Added 29/09)
Post by: Kedge on October 04, 2012, 04:31:43 pm
More concern today, noticed that my other Ram has some white on his lip :confused: He's swimming about fine and is eating though. What's the best thing to do, I haven't got a quarantine tank?
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak (Video Added 29/09)
Post by: jackiemcg34 on October 04, 2012, 04:46:39 pm
take him back to the shop :(
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak (Video Added 29/09)
Post by: Kedge on October 04, 2012, 04:51:42 pm
Do shops accept fish on return then if they're ill?
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak (Video Added 29/09)
Post by: jackiemcg34 on October 04, 2012, 05:02:23 pm
I would or at least call them and explain you have nowhere to treat him, will they supply treatment free or take hime back for credit? your tank was not sick before you added the pair, have you had a refund for the female yet?
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak (Video Added 29/09)
Post by: Kedge on October 04, 2012, 05:24:20 pm
Well I've called them and they've just blamed the fact that they are "sensitive Rams" and it's probably because of the shock on transporting them and putting them in a new environment. No refund or credit offered, just told to get some Myxazin and treat with that. Think that's lost them a customer, shame as all the other fish I've had from there have been excellent.
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak (Video Added 29/09)
Post by: jackiemcg34 on October 04, 2012, 07:58:36 pm
think the name n shame thread should get a bump up from you, sad stuff, shame about the poor fish and hope he gets better soon :)
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak (Video Added 29/09)
Post by: Kedge on October 04, 2012, 08:12:53 pm
It may come as a suprise but it was the very well renowed Wharf Aquatics :ohmy:

Anyway, in prepartion for the hopefully hatching of the Cockatoo eggs, what can I get for feeding the fry? She's certainly getting more and more protective of the eggs chasing everyone away, although Dad seems to be allowed to stay close by, although she ignore the Embers which I'm happy about.
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak (Video Added 29/09)
Post by: fruity on October 04, 2012, 09:48:29 pm
Crushed fish flakes. Live brine shrimps. Are two that I have read about for fry. Best wait for Jackie&Co to comment though!

Egg yolk is another. Are you going to move the fry? They'll get munched up if you don't?
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak (Video Added 29/09)
Post by: Kedge on October 04, 2012, 09:56:38 pm
I crush the flake and discs anyway for the Embers. Not seen anywhere selling brine shrimp though, would they take Daphnia?

Well I've just won a 60l tank in a raffle so could set that up but that won't be mature  :confused: I was originally hoping to rely on the adults parenting skills as there are plenty of hiding places in the tank.
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak (Video Added 29/09)
Post by: jackiemcg34 on October 05, 2012, 02:39:45 pm
oh dear, don't wait on me, I am not an expert here, just got too much free time on my hands lol
I would leave them, I have kribs in my 3 footer (they are on a break just now though her being nippy with him :() they looked after 2 lots of babies together though with a tankful of mouths, I suppose the cockatoos are similar, they snuffled through the greenery/mossy chompers, flake the parents munched and offered them :) they will find a way :)
my lot get defrosted bloodworm/daphnia/mussel/prawn/allsorts but defrosted first :)
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak (Video Added 29/09)
Post by: Kedge on October 05, 2012, 03:03:38 pm
Thanks Jackie, mine get frozen daphnia every other day and occasionally bloodworm, defrosted of course, so it sounds like I don't really need to change my feeding routine much at all.

However when I came home this morning and had a look the eggs were no where to be seen and there's no sign of tiny fry, the female was still hanging around in the area near the filter chasing everyone off and see was spending the rest of her time picking at the gravel. Wonder whether they hatched and got eaten very quickly!?

The Ram looks to have made an improvement, no sign of white fur now. However now one of my Rosy's is looking ill, has bulging eyes, its head and mouth area look pale and swollen and she's keeping out the way of everyone else  :mellow:
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak (Video Added 29/09)
Post by: jackiemcg34 on October 05, 2012, 04:57:24 pm
maybe they have been sucked into the filter!
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak (Video Added 29/09)
Post by: Kedge on October 05, 2012, 05:42:09 pm
Ahh crap, that's a bloody good point since the inlet is only a couple of inches away. Would it be worth meshing the filter inlet if I see eggs in future, probably not a good idea to do it all the time.

Update on the Rosy Tetra, In the time from me updating earlier and going straight out to get some Myxazin and coming back she had deteriorated massively, was floating more than swimming and she died a short while after. So since adding the Cichlids from Wharf aquatics less than a week ago I've lost one new Ram, have another that I can't be sure is better yet and have lost a Rosy Tetra :-(. Think I need to research more on quarantine/hospital tanks but I haven't really got the space or money to setup and run another tank.

I'm going to run a course of medication to try to kill off anything that might still be lurking in the tank. While running the treat I'm assuming i should wait to do a water change until it's complete and once it is complete do I need to run carbon in the filter to soak up the medication?
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak (Video Added 29/09)
Post by: jackiemcg34 on October 05, 2012, 06:42:15 pm
dunno about the carbon, I use esha and never bother, it does not annoy the filter munchers so I don't bother with them either ;)
does the bottom part come off the filter?
if it does and she lays there again I would try and remove it to somewhere else in the tank, just leave it on the substrate away from the flow, she will follow you (glaring mind).....  then add the tights or mesh to the base as it will be open :)
just a thought :)
the fry might turn up though, they might have gotten a lift in her mouth to somewhere less currenty :)
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak (Video Added 29/09)
Post by: Kedge on October 07, 2012, 10:30:09 pm
I'll not bother with carbon then.

She laid the eggs on the heater which is near the filter inlet so can't really relocate that, hence why I was thinking of using some mesh on the inlet.

Thought I was going to be updating this tonight saying all the fish were looking healthy and because of that I was going to half dose the rest of the Myxazin course. However just checked the tank before the light went out and despite everyone looking healthy a couple of hours ago I saw one of the female black phantoms dead at the back of the tank, I've looked over her and I can't see anything wrong at all  *dontknow* Water stats are all good  :confused:
Title: Re: 200l AquaOak (Video Added 29/09)
Post by: jackiemcg34 on October 08, 2012, 01:01:56 pm
Oh I thought that was the base of the filter. Sorry you lost another wee fishy :(