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Title: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on February 25, 2017, 06:33:33 pm
Hello all.

This is going to be a log/ discussion about how to improve my tank and hopefully get an all round better fishy experience from the hobby and basically get the most out my setup.

Current equipment:

48 x 12 x 18" tank (About 160L)
APS 1000EF filter
Fluval u4 plus internal filter
Sand substrate (natural sand colour)
Artificial plants
Bogwood

Fish:
Sterbai cory - 9 adults, hand full of growing babies...
Guppies - 7 adult males
Dwarf gourami - 1 male
Cardinal tetra - 9

Current issues (Why change?)
1) My main issue is the overall look of my tank. I bought it used and it came painted blue on the back and sides. Blue looks good in the pet shops, but as I want a natural looking tank I've grown to massively dislike it. It basically washes out my shoal of cardinals and Gary the Gourami's colours, which was meant to be the centre piece of the tank.
2) I seem to be getting a major brown algae and green hair grass algae problem.
3) I'd like a bit more depth from the wall to create an aquascape (but space is pretty limited)
4) I get build ups of black foul smelling sand under the fake plant bases which I believe could be harmful gasses

The plan:
1) I'm looking for a new (or used) tank 4-5ft long (unpainted) that I can put different backgrounds on. I'm thinking of a 48 x 15 x 18 to give me an extra 25% of depth to create more visual depth in the tank. Would the extra 3 inches be noticeable do people think? I could just get the same size tank again if not and I wouldn't have to alter my stand/ base unit. Would I need more filtration? I think I'll fill the extra space with hardscape/ extra sand depth (currently only running 0.5-1" of substrate) so the water volume should remain pretty constant despite the bigger tank.
2) Very kind forum members have donated 4 amazon sword cuttings I've planted in the sand for now. Would I be best putting down a layer of compost or fertilizer under the sand in the new tank? I intend to mix live and fake plants temporarily while I see how my plant growing skills develop. As the sand I have is super fine and seems to compact very easily, would I be better with a different sort? More coarse? To help prevent gas build up?
3) Colours: What sand colour is best to show off the sterbai cory on the bottom of the tank? Natural sand? Or black sand? I think I'll opt for either plain black or at least very dark coloured background to the tank (vinyl printed backgrounds). Which would look more natural together? And most importantly, is this the best colour to help the fish 'pop?'
4) Would real plants help with algae control? I've just put a new tropical bulb in my current setup as I've read this may help with algae control and plant growth?

Any input ideas and thoughts much appreciated from you awesome people as always.

Thanks,

Si
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on February 25, 2017, 06:39:44 pm
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Where I'm at..

VS

Roughly where I want to be...

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on February 26, 2017, 11:58:43 am
Can you not scrape the back/sides off and re-do in black?
Also, are you going to get a small, cooler tank for the guppies while you do it? ;) :)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on February 26, 2017, 07:50:04 pm
Hi Ian,

Would it just scrape off with a knife or something? I've read that you need to use paint stripper/ chemicals so I figured I needed a second/ new tank to house the fish while it's treated. Plus I'm not sure how scratched the tank would be after paint removal.

I definitely want to be able to use different backgrounds rather than painting.

Tempted to get a massive tank, but space restrictions and maintenance (water changes) would be too much as I have to use 2 flights of change per 10 litre bucket. Being sensible is hard....
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on February 27, 2017, 10:32:44 am
It depends what paint it is, but I would imagine a single-sided blade would get most off........
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: fall-apart-dave on February 27, 2017, 01:12:53 pm
It depends what paint it is, but I would imagine a single-sided blade would get most off........

Heat gun and gentle scraping. Job jobbed. Don't matter what sort of paint it is, unless they have used high temp manifold paint for automotive use, a heat gun will do it no problem at all.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on February 27, 2017, 09:21:23 pm
Went to have a look at a 48 x 16 x 18 tank today (as well as some expensive tanks in various fish shops!). It's used, but great condition (just a couple of scratches on the front). Including tank, stand, light, decor, internal fliter and some gravel (and 5 free goldfish if I want them...) it's only £100. So that should save me some time in paint stripping! And better dimensions for a bit more depth for scaping.

Also I found a new (to me) fish shop nearby and while I was asking about tanks and plants they asked if I wanted a new filter (Fluval 306) which they were reducing as I was in there to £70. Only thing missing was the pipework and box. Wondering if this would be a much better filter than my APS 1000ef?? And would the pipes fit? Currently researching answers, but if anyone has any experience?

Would flow be better with 306 and would it be any quieter? Tank is in my bedroom so needs to be silent as possible! Is £70 a good price for a new 306 with no piping?
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: ajm83 on February 28, 2017, 07:56:19 am
Yes it would be (much) more powerful, and IMO they are better quality and nicer to work on.

Those 306s can be found on amazon for £89, and it's £10 for the hoses, however if you need the other bits (strainer, spray bar etc) then that's another £18 on top...

Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on March 01, 2017, 08:56:52 pm
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Well here's the new tank. 48x16x18

Managed to scoop the lot for £80 including a 2000lph internal filter. Happy with that. Stand and tank are pretty much immaculate so I'm very happy. I'm intending to use my current stand as its lower, but as the new one is in such good condition (apart from 1 missing handle) it's hard to get rid....

Needs a good clean yet so won't be set up for a week or two yet.

Oh I did get the fluval 306 as well as I've got pipe work and spray bars from my aps filter that'll fit.

For substrate I'm sticking with my sand and thinking of some rocks to creat a bit more of a dramatic hardscape. I found some massive 'plum slate' pieces in b and m super cheap. Would they be suitable? Seem to have nice smooth edges. Would the tank and stand be ok holding their weight or would I be best trying to find fake rock structures? Or is there a similar black/ dark grey alternative rock option?

Would I need to add anything to the sand to help plant growth? I move my tank around too often for proper soil with a sand top and I'm not keen on the ammonia risk.

Also, the chap in the shop told me gravel is better for plants than sand. Is this correct? The tank came with natural looking small gravel. Could I mix the 2 substrates or would this risk the cory barbels? Or is there any point?

Thoughts appreciated,

Thanks




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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: the_storm on March 01, 2017, 11:00:38 pm
Is the blue paint acrylic? If so, you can just peel it off with a scraper and it should be really easy.
I'd go for sand over gravel every time. I have a heavily planted tank and it's great with sand, also great for your Sterbai and their barbels.
Jealous! I love starting tanks up!
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on March 01, 2017, 11:07:55 pm
Is the blue paint acrylic? If so, you can just peel it off with a scraper and it should be really easy.
I'd go for sand over gravel every time. I have a heavily planted tank and it's great with sand, also great for your Sterbai and their barbels.
Jealous! I love starting tanks up!

Gone for a new deeper tank in the end and going to sell the blue one eventually. Do you have anything under the sand like soil? How deep is your sand? Or how else do you feed the plants? I thought it'd be easy-ish, but the more I read, the more I'm getting put off with all the extra costs and complications...

Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: fall-apart-dave on March 02, 2017, 06:52:48 am
Plumb slate is fine.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: the_storm on March 02, 2017, 10:00:55 am
Is the blue paint acrylic? If so, you can just peel it off with a scraper and it should be really easy.
I'd go for sand over gravel every time. I have a heavily planted tank and it's great with sand, also great for your Sterbai and their barbels.
Jealous! I love starting tanks up!

Gone for a new deeper tank in the end and going to sell the blue one eventually. Do you have anything under the sand like soil? How deep is your sand? Or how else do you feed the plants? I thought it'd be easy-ish, but the more I read, the more I'm getting put off with all the extra costs and complications...
I have aquatic soil under the sand and roots tabs in the soil, some put all manner of additives in the substrate as can be seen by the myriad of clips on youtube regarding planted tanks.
I cap the soil with a layer of sand a couple of inches thick. Sand is down to personal choice, black looks great with planted but I've got pale kiln dried, you pays your money!
Feeding the plants? I dose daily with ferts into the water column, use injected CO2, plants take nutrients from the water as well as the soil. The plants are under led lighting, though I will upgrade the lighting to something higher spec when money allows.
It can be daunting but if you add a little extra  knowledge and kit as you go, it's not daunting at all. Just research, ask and do it in little manageable chunks.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on March 07, 2017, 08:21:30 pm
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So I found these rocks today. Plenty, for free, now I just need to know if they're safe to use in the aquarium?

Not sure exactly what type of rock it is. Currently soaking a load in some water in the garage and the water has turned grey, but they're covered in gunk. Is there any way of testing suitability before I clean them all up? They were very dusty/ clay covered.

Essentially they look similar to the plum slate I saw the other day, but a dark grey rather than the purple colour. Fairly easy to break up/ smash like slate. Has white ish lines/ patterning in some pieces.

Any thoughts? Am I best testing water I've left in in to check the ph?

The region I found it in has slate and shale, but not sure if this was from there or just dumped.

Any thoughts welcomed. Hoping it's ok as I love the shapes and colours!


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Martyn87 on March 07, 2017, 09:59:11 pm
Sand on top of some form of aqua base will grow plants fine. Unless your adding pressurised co2 the lights will be fine just keep to slow growing plants.

Also I have found that some carpeting plants find it harder to root through really fine sand which can become compacted. Go for a slightly larger grain size.

What fish do you intend to keep? If the rocks are releasing minerals then it could increase water hardness. Test the water in the bucket before and after adding to see what the impact is?
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: turtlemusketeer on March 07, 2017, 10:01:00 pm
Hello :)

Generally speaking unless it's salt-laden or calcite (eg limestone, which raises the acidity of the water and can affect the chem balance) it's okay.

As for plants, CO2 and fertiliser are vital, otherwise they just die and add to the bioload in the tank. Plastic plants can look weirdly efferctive if they're arranged well... Have attached a pic of mine - let me know if it works :)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on March 07, 2017, 10:34:34 pm
Sand on top of some form of aqua base will grow plants fine. Unless your adding pressurised co2 the lights will be fine just keep to slow growing plants.

Also I have found that some carpeting plants find it harder to root through really fine sand which can become compacted. Go for a slightly larger grain size.

What fish do you intend to keep? If the rocks are releasing minerals then it could increase water hardness. Test the water in the bucket before and after adding to see what the impact is?

Hello.

I'm keeping mainly sterbai cory, few guppies, Cardinal tetra and one male dwarf gourami. Mainly soft water fish apart from the guppies who are slowly dying off due to age.

I'll do some water tests over the weekend and see what happens. Very much fingers crossed though. Tank will look awesome with these.

I'll try and get some bigger grain sand too as I'll need more for the larger tank.


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on March 07, 2017, 10:36:16 pm
Hello :)

Generally speaking unless it's salt-laden or calcite (eg limestone, which raises the acidity of the water and can affect the chem balance) it's okay.

As for plants, CO2 and fertiliser are vital, otherwise they just die and add to the bioload in the tank. Plastic plants can look weirdly efferctive if they're arranged well... Have attached a pic of mine - let me know if it works :)


That is nice, but I think more rocks with a few live plants is where I'll end up. I've got lots of fake plants and they look good, but just trying to get a really natural look if I can.


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gingerlove05 on March 07, 2017, 11:52:29 pm
Easiest way to test the rock to see if it will leach anything into the water is drop a bit of vinegar on it, if it fizzes it will leach minerals ;)


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on March 08, 2017, 01:05:24 pm
Not sure about the rocks. Tried vinegar, but can't hear or see any fizzing.

However, when cleaning them with a scrubbing brush, they just keep shedding like a chalky coating making the water murky and grey. Gonna leave them soaking til weekend and see what the water looks like. Not optimistic though.

Sad times  *bye3*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on March 10, 2017, 05:18:33 pm
So I've been doing some experimenting with the rock:

Smashing it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsDS8EeOXhY

Soaking and scrubbing it....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s95QUifs8c

I've also just spent 20 mins boiling a piece to see what happens.

The results:

Smashing - rock feels soft(ish) as far as rock goes
Soaking and scrubbing  - even after a massive soaking and lots of scrubbing the rocks still give off dust with abrasion. With no contact they look fine with no visible discharge.
Boiling - Surprisingly the rock didn't soften or disfigure. There were a few tiny shards in the pan after boiling, but the water was clear and clean.

I did notice a tiny shimmer to the rock as in lots of shiny tiny specs. Could this be metallic elements and thus be dangerous?

Any thoughts on what rock it is?

Is it possible to seal it in any way??

Should I find a geology forum?

Thanks

PS - sorry for the random weird videos!
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: ajm83 on March 10, 2017, 07:10:39 pm
maybe i'm missing something but it looks like normal slate?
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on March 10, 2017, 07:37:56 pm
maybe i'm missing something but it looks like normal slate?

It's just how to confirm that before adding it to a tank? It's similar to slate, but I've only have roof slate before and that seems a lot more brittle, more dense and sharper when broken. Roof slate tends to shatter rather than crack.

Could be slate though. Just trying to work out how to tell for definite??
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Vale! on March 10, 2017, 08:00:50 pm
There's a sequence of rock formation that begins with clay/mud ... which gets compressed to form mudstone of varying solidities ... which then becomes mudstone with feeble layers .. and finally, after a lot more compression, becomes slate.  My guess is that it belongs somewhere within that sequence.   As it's essentially clay, it would be unusual for it to pose a health problem for fish (unless it were obviously contaminated with (say) heavy metals) but the less it's been compressed, the more likely it is to 'muddy' ones water!

The shimmering specks are likely to be mica or pyrites ; neither would be problematic (even though the latter contains sulphur, it's quite stable under aquarium-type conditions, I think - but do double-check that).
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on March 10, 2017, 08:23:35 pm
There's a sequence of rock formation that begins with clay/mud ... which gets compressed to form mudstone of varying solidities ... which then becomes mudstone with feeble layers .. and finally, after a lot more compression, becomes slate.  My guess is that it belongs somewhere within that sequence.   As it's essentially clay, it would be unusual for it to pose a health problem for fish (unless it were obviously contaminated with (say) heavy metals) but the less it's been compressed, the more likely it is to 'muddy' ones water!

The shimmering specks are likely to be mica or pyrites ; neither would be problematic (even though the latter contains sulphur, it's quite stable under aquarium-type conditions, I think - but do double-check that).

That does make sense. I tested the tap water today and got a ph of 6.5 and very low KH. GH test didnt work properly and ended up saying I had super hard water, even though I know it's very soft. (Test kit was inherited for GH so not convinced it worked).

I've left 3 larger rocks in some water and will test in a couple of days to see whats happened.

It did muddy that water badly initially, but everything settled on the bottom and the water cleared within 48hrs with no filer, etc. Plus I've not properly washed much of the rock yet as I'm not sure it's worth the effort as yet.

I'll try and check the water and buy some white vinegar to see if any fizzing occurs with that rather than normal malt vinegar.

It's hard identifying rocks!  :mad:

Thanks for the reply.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Vale! on March 10, 2017, 08:47:57 pm
Whether the vinegar is malt or white shouldn't matter.

re : the GH kit.  Yes - I remember not so long ago I went to #1 LFS and begged a quick GH test (I'm always begging them for such stuff!) because I'd run out and couldn't justify buying a new refill. They lent me a bottle of reagent and I bore it triumphantly home.  It didn't work - after about forty drops there was still no colour change. So I went back and they dug around in the chaos that is their bin full of test kits and came up with another. That didn't work either : same result.  They cracked open a new one and that worked perfectly. It was impossible to tell how old the non-working kits were but it was obvious that these GH kits become more unreliable as time goes by until, at last, they conk out altogether.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on March 10, 2017, 08:54:10 pm
Whether the vinegar is malt or white shouldn't matter.

re : the GH kit.  Yes - I remember not so long ago I went to #1 LFS and begged a quick GH test (I'm always begging them for such stuff!) because I'd run out and couldn't justify buying a new refill. They lent me a bottle of reagent and I bore it triumphantly home.  It didn't work - after about forty drops there was still no colour change. So I went back and they dug around in the chaos that is their bin full of test kits and came up with another. That didn't work either : same result.  They cracked open a new one and that worked perfectly. It was impossible to tell how old the non-working kits were but it was obvious that these GH kits become more unreliable as time goes by until, at last, they conk out altogether.

Are the test strips worth bothering with for gh and kh?

I thought white vinegar was more acidic? Could be wrong though.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Vale! on March 10, 2017, 09:11:44 pm
Even if there is a differential, the vinegar that's less acidic should still evoke a reaction from a substrate that might be significantly aggressive, KH-wise.  But if you want to try both, please do - I'd be interested to know if there's indeed a difference!  White vinegar's not as good on chips, though, is it?

When I compared new test strips (I've forgotten which brand) to liquid kits I found that they compared really quite favourably so far as GH/KH were concerned ; not at all as alarming as some reports would have it!
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on March 13, 2017, 02:10:23 pm
Well, after 3 days of soaking the rocks, the water ph has risen from around 6.5 to around 7.8.  *blink*

Does this mean they're unsuitable for use in my 'softwater' community tank?

Will PH continue to rise or would that be the maximum it would go to?

What are my options? Would I be able to seal them in any way??

Would they be suitable/ useful for a different type water tank?

Thoughts appreciated.  :mad:
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on March 14, 2017, 09:36:42 am
They certainly sound as though they are reactionary, so not for softwater.
I believe (not sure where I got this from) that rocks that do leach stop at 7.8ph, but that might not be true.......may have been when I researched African Rift Lake fish randomly one day when I had no intention of getting any........
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Martyn87 on March 14, 2017, 09:45:29 pm
Si I have tended to move away from having any rock in my soft water tank. Found it easier to remove any potential alkalinity source and just stick to woods.

That being said it is a good looking bit of hardscape would be a shame to not use it...
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on March 14, 2017, 10:10:40 pm
I think the science speaks for itself and rather than risk the fish and their health I've decided to ditch the rocks  *2116*

Which is really annoying as I thought I'd hit the jackpot with them.

Today I actually started 'the big move' and now my current tank has moved into another room. It took nearly 2 hours, so hoping all the bacteria in the filters, etc survived. The fish will live there for a week or two while I get the new tank sorted.

I've just put the tank in place and found the floor to be way out. It needs lifting 5mm at the front and about 10mm at one end to level it out  :censored2: Why is nothing ever easy?!!? So I'm now googling how to level the tank/ stand. I knew the old one was off, but put that down to my building skills rather than the floor being out.

Sigh..

This room seems weirdly empty with only the catfish tank in it. Can't wait to get the new setup rolling.

Would people recommend fishless cycling? Or just transferring all substrate, decor and filters over to the new tank and keeping ones fingers crossed? I have the brand new filter, but not sure whether I need to fishless cycle that, or just have it on as well once the old filter is transferred?

 *blink*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on March 15, 2017, 09:47:12 am
You have two options, maybe three.....
1. Fishless cycle the new filter.
2. Move the current filter into the new tank.
3. Move the current media into the new filter (and fill up with new - any leftover new could go into the old filter).
Either way, when finished the fish bioload should be supported, just keep your eye on it for a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on April 09, 2017, 04:24:41 pm
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Today I bought a lot of wood and work on the new tank stand to replace the unsuitable one has begun...


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on April 10, 2017, 08:02:38 am
Pre-cut as well :)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on April 10, 2017, 09:09:45 am
Pre-cut as well :)

I did spend 3 hrs doing  maths before I went to the shop to save on time! Wanted all the widths perfectly straight as I don't have the best selection of power tools.

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For once it turned out about right!

Just gotta work out how to build doors now... hmmm....


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on April 10, 2017, 04:59:05 pm
Nice and sturdy. :)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on April 10, 2017, 05:35:21 pm
Hoping so, once I start levelling it with shims I'm hoping it'll stay rigid.

Also gotta work out howto build some reasonable cabinet doors...  *blink*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on April 12, 2017, 05:49:15 pm
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New tank stand is just about done!
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: piker on April 12, 2017, 06:35:11 pm
Nice work

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gingerlove05 on April 12, 2017, 06:52:34 pm
Looking good
You worked out how to do the doors after i see :)


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Feliss on April 12, 2017, 09:45:10 pm
Very nice work!
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on April 12, 2017, 10:38:44 pm
Looking good
You worked out how to do the doors after i see :)


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Yea, at first I was trying to hide the hinges, but couldn't be bothered risking taking a section out the frame, messing it up and having to start from scratch. So just left them visible for the 'industrial' look. Plus the wood was was sturdy enough for the doors not to need a frame so pretty simple in the end.

Thanks for the nice comments everyone :) Anyone want to give me a hand carrying it inside now? It's a tad weighty....
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on April 13, 2017, 09:18:04 am
That looks good. :)
Does it fit through the door? ;)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on April 13, 2017, 09:21:36 am
That looks good. :)
Does it fit through the door? ;)

 :censored2:  Why would you say such a thing?!?!? Windows are easy to remove, right...??? Haha.

It's only about 43cm deep, so should be fine.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on April 14, 2017, 01:14:55 pm
Once I mange to get the stand in place and spend many hours trying to get it level, I'm going to partially set it up and just check the new filter (fluval 306) is working as it should.

I was originally just going to use just the 306, but doing some research this may not be enough filtration for the size of the tank and inhabitants? Is this correct? 120x40x45 (about 240 litres I think).

I may use the fluval u4 plus internal with it, or may use the APS external and the 306 together. If I use 2 external filters, is it best to have both inputs at one end and both outputs at the other? Or one of each at each end?

Or would the 306 be ok on its own? I only use the u4 internal on my 170 litre tank because the APS filter flow is too gentle, but I believe the 306 will hopefully be a lot better and create much more surface agitation.

Sorry if that's a bit waffley! To summarise...

Where should I position the inputs and outputs if using 2 external filters?
And do I need more filters than the fluval 306?
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on April 15, 2017, 09:42:55 am
Never having actually used externals I can't speak from experience, but......
The 306 will probably be at it's absolute limit, so any help would be good. The second external will likely be best (and take up less room).
I'm not sure it matters how you set them up, but someone who has two externals would be better placed to advise.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on April 15, 2017, 04:08:03 pm
Thanks for the thoughts Ian.

I'll see if anyone else comes back with anything.

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Moved it in and levelled with shims for now.

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Spent over an hour cleaning sand!


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Background (may change) added and water starting to heat up.

Just trying to work out the new filter. Getting excited to be close to moving fishes across maybe tomorrow!


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on April 16, 2017, 09:49:05 am
That looks pretty amazing! Mind the heater on the sand, it tends to crack them.


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on April 18, 2017, 05:53:33 pm
Well what a faff of a day!

Finally decided today was the big move day for the fish. Not gonna lie, it could've gone smoother....

Set out this morning, as last thing last night I decided I didn't like the jungle background the used tank came with and found a black background for the tank. I used black poster board from hobby craft. £3's worth covered my 4ft x 18in back. Looks decent IMO and cheaper than the £12 the fish shop wanted for plain back plastic.

I came home, mounted that and started to work my way through the plan I'd made in bed last night.

Once I'd transferred half of the water from the old tank I had to turn my filter off so then it was a race against the clock to keep the munchers alive. I decided to split some of the media into my new fluval 306 and squeeze all the foam and floss into it too. I also tipped some of the water from the drained media into the new tank to hopefully spread some bacteria into the sand as well.

I cut some new hoses and installed the APS filter, turned it on and noticed a tiny trickle of water. I stripped it down,cleaned all round the seal, reinstalled and it leaked again! I have an old one that I snapped the clips off where the hoses connect to the top, so stole the O ring out of that and all seems well. Just noticed I've snapped a clip off the second APS one! Gonna ring them tomorrow as it's ridiculous how easily they break! Thankfully it's not leaking, for now.

After some mopping and more mopping and some wiping up water, I managed to get the 306 running too. The flow rate is soooo much better than the APS one. Very happy with it so far.

I transferred all the tank decor for now, moved my only 4 little live plants and installed 2 150w heaters.

As the flooding took so long, both tanks had dropped from 24 to around 21-22C so transfer of fish was pretty quick and easy in the end.

All fish look to be enjoying the new premises from what I can see. I'm running the APS, Fluval 306 and fluval u3 internal for now as I was running them in the last tank, so maximising chances of bacteria survival. It's a bit of a whirlpool with 3 different currents, but they'll have to put up with it for a couple of weeks.

Catfish are schooling around nicely (4 adults and 3 very near adults), cardinals are spread out and look relaxed, guppies are playing in the currents and Gary the gourami is looking which bit of the tank to claim as his own.

Just a case of keeping the fingers crossed for the next couple of weeks now and that enough bacteria survived to maintain the tank without cycling. Pix will follow when is goes a bit darker.

Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on April 18, 2017, 09:36:27 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QffJmSE7e0s

The faff is all worth it when the fishies are back where they should be and looking pretty happy.

The background looks a bit blue on the vid, but it's just the effect of my iphone (and probably because the tank is a little cloudy still). Deffo black. Hoping the tank will be crystal clear by morning.

Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gingerlove05 on April 18, 2017, 09:46:41 pm
Looking good, some very active corys there and love the tiny one :)


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on April 19, 2017, 09:26:43 am
Lovely!
The sterbai will be dancing for days, and it's nice to see the little one joining in! *grin*
One reason I haven't gone external, as my back probably wouldn't take all the faffing about...... ;)
Glad you got it all sorted though. :)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on April 23, 2017, 10:53:24 pm
Thanks for the nice comments chaps. Appreciated. 

All fish seem to be happily settled in now and I also moved another 2 of the adult cories from the smaller tank across. Had a minor reading of ammonia this morning so did a partial water change and will continue to keep an eye on things. I can see many more water changes coming my way over the next few days and weeks.

Went to a fish auction today and came back with 4 lovely albino sterbai, some java fern to give my planted tank a boost and some frozen blood worm to keep things ticking over. Had a nice and interesting afternoon meeting some breeders and fellow fish enthusiasts.

Hoping the java fern will do as well as the amazon sword seem to be growing unaided. Need to find some well priced redmoor root to attach it to then it's just waiting and seeing what survives. Pix to follow.   
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on April 23, 2017, 10:56:23 pm
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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on April 24, 2017, 09:46:13 am
Very nice.
They will interbreed with normal sterbai, and you'll get mainly normal sterbai fry. ;)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on April 24, 2017, 11:38:25 am
Very nice.
They will interbreed with normal sterbai, and you'll get mainly normal sterbai fry. ;)

They're a fair bit smaller than my adult normal ones for now, so I'll put them in the growing on tank for a while, then they'll move to the main tank to grow fully. I'll probably separate them all to try and get some albino babies when they're older.

I thought albino x non albino = all normal, possible het for albino? I didn't think I'd get any albino babies if crossed with a normal one? Unless an adult is carrying the albino genes? Could be wrong....
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on April 25, 2017, 09:18:18 am
It depends on the dominant gene. I can't remember whether the males or females usually carry it, but you're more likely to get "normal" ones than albino.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on May 01, 2017, 04:58:43 pm
Well the new albinos are settling in just fine in the baby growing out tank (only place I had to quarantine them, but they're looking super healthy so far thankfully).

I've had the odd bit of ammonia pop up since the main tank move and some ammonia too in the baby tank due to the new fish (despite moving 2 full grown adults out). Regular testing and water changes seem to have kept all fish healthy and things seem to be calming down now thankfully with no ammonia in the big tank for about 5 days now without a water change.

Due to being a little unsure about my T8 lights brightness I've been on the hunt for an LED upgrade. Not wanting to spend a super fortune (£150+) on a new light and nowt convinced the light ballasts will work with LED bulbs I managed to find a used 4ft LED light today and I've just been to collect it.

First impressions are it's a LOT brighter than the T8 (tropical bulb) I was using before. Sadly I have zero information about it. Just looks like a cheap chinese job and the only rating I could find was 15w. Not sure if this is the input or the output. Either way, the tank is much brighter. The light also have one run of blue night time lights for night viewing, so looking forward to trying these out later.

If anyone knows where the light is from or the likely out put, please try and point me in the right direction.

The main issue with the light is it's too long to fit under my lid as it has brackets that sit on the glass. I could somehow fit it in the lid, but wouldn't be able to access the switches, so for now the tank is lid-less, with glass sliding condensation covers and a could of bits of wood to hide them. I'm tempted to add another very similar light to the rear of the tank to give almost full coverage and give plants max growth. But again, thoughts on how powerful it is are appreciated.

Finally the white light is a lot harsher than the tropical bulb I had before. Sand looks a lot pale and colder. Obviously a different rating of LEDs or bulbs, kelvin?? I'm not innitially thrilled by the white, but it's starting to grow on me, but a bit of a warmer white would be better I feel.

Few pix of the light will follow...
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on May 01, 2017, 05:03:17 pm
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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Newbie fishkeeper on May 01, 2017, 11:40:56 pm
Once I mange to get the stand in place and spend many hours trying to get it level, I'm going to partially set it up and just check the new filter (fluval 306) is working as it should.

I was originally just going to use just the 306, but doing some research this may not be enough filtration for the size of the tank and inhabitants? Is this correct? 120x40x45 (about 240 litres I think).

I may use the fluval u4 plus internal with it, or may use the APS external and the 306 together. If I use 2 external filters, is it best to have both inputs at one end and both outputs at the other? Or one of each at each end?

Or would the 306 be ok on its own? I only use the u4 internal on my 170 litre tank because the APS filter flow is too gentle, but I believe the 306 will hopefully be a lot better and create much more surface agitation.

Sorry if that's a bit waffley! To summarise...

Where should I position the inputs and outputs if using 2 external filters?
And do I need more filters than the fluval 306?

Sorry I didn't see this sooner Si.
I am using 2 externalls on 300. Both with spray bars  (1at the surface and the other about 3" from the bottom) especially for the  cory. Intakes on the opposite side (1 in the middle another at the bottom) both with sponges over to stop anything like fry getting sucked up.
Tanks looking great btw.
I attached a couple pictures to show you my  filter setup.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on May 02, 2017, 07:06:55 pm
Once I mange to get the stand in place and spend many hours trying to get it level, I'm going to partially set it up and just check the new filter (fluval 306) is working as it should.

I was originally just going to use just the 306, but doing some research this may not be enough filtration for the size of the tank and inhabitants? Is this correct? 120x40x45 (about 240 litres I think).

I may use the fluval u4 plus internal with it, or may use the APS external and the 306 together. If I use 2 external filters, is it best to have both inputs at one end and both outputs at the other? Or one of each at each end?

Or would the 306 be ok on its own? I only use the u4 internal on my 170 litre tank because the APS filter flow is too gentle, but I believe the 306 will hopefully be a lot better and create much more surface agitation.

Sorry if that's a bit waffley! To summarise...

Where should I position the inputs and outputs if using 2 external filters?
And do I need more filters than the fluval 306?

Sorry I didn't see this sooner Si.
I am using 2 externalls on 300. Both with spray bars  (1at the surface and the other about 3" from the bottom) especially for the  cory. Intakes on the opposite side (1 in the middle another at the bottom) both with sponges over to stop anything like fry getting sucked up.
Tanks looking great btw.
I attached a couple pictures to show you my  filter setup.

Thanks for the reply. I didn't know you could mount the spray bars so low down. Thought it'd kick all the sand up.

In the end I had to leave the pipework at either end of the tank due to the glass sliding lids, otherwise I probably would've had one in themiddle like you suggest. I've now got an input and out put at each end. One spray bar is going back to front and the other (weaker one) is going right to left. Dunno if this is for the best, but seems ok for now.

I do keep meaning to get sponges to cover the filter intakes, especially when all the plants and adults are in and I'm hoping some cory fry may survive on their own merits.

What's the plants on your first pic by the way? I want something similar for my background. Are they easy to keep and grow?

Still now sure how good this new light is going to be for plant growth yet. If it's visually brighter than my t8 (and that grew amazon swords) then I'm guessing it should be ok?? Or is it more to do with the light spectrum??

Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on May 08, 2017, 06:19:17 pm
Sad times!
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Newbie fishkeeper on May 08, 2017, 10:32:37 pm
Sad times!
???

Once I mange to get the stand in place and spend many hours trying to get it level, I'm going to partially set it up and just check the new filter (fluval 306) is working as it should.

I was originally just going to use just the 306, but doing some research this may not be enough filtration for the size of the tank and inhabitants? Is this correct? 120x40x45 (about 240 litres I think).

I may use the fluval u4 plus internal with it, or may use the APS external and the 306 together. If I use 2 external filters, is it best to have both inputs at one end and both outputs at the other? Or one of each at each end?

Or would the 306 be ok on its own? I only use the u4 internal on my 170 litre tank because the APS filter flow is too gentle, but I believe the 306 will hopefully be a lot better and create much more surface agitation.

Sorry if that's a bit waffley! To summarise...

Where should I position the inputs and outputs if using 2 external filters?
And do I need more filters than the fluval 306?

Sorry I didn't see this sooner Si.
I am using 2 externalls on 300. Both with spray bars  (1at the surface and the other about 3" from the bottom) especially for the  cory. Intakes on the opposite side (1 in the middle another at the bottom) both with sponges over to stop anything like fry getting sucked up.
Tanks looking great btw.
I attached a couple pictures to show you my  filter setup.


What's the plants on your first pic by the way? I want something similar for my background. Are they easy to keep and grow?



Which  one?
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on May 08, 2017, 10:52:56 pm


Which  one?
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Looks like a thin stem with bushy offshoots on??
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on May 08, 2017, 10:56:08 pm
Sadly came home today to find Gary the gourami dead on the bottom of the tank today.

No obvious markings or signs of illness, just out the blue. I lost a cardinal tetra last week, but he had a weird stomach problem and super greedy so it wasn't too much of a surprise, but the gourami was a total shock.

Water parameters were fine last night (6ppm nitrate, zero everything else). I did a water change tonight to be on the safe side, but still a sad loss. *bye3*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on May 08, 2017, 11:05:44 pm
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Sad times :(


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on May 09, 2017, 09:45:51 am
Sorry for your loss :(
Can you remind us of his tankmates?
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on May 09, 2017, 11:03:38 am
Sorry for your loss :(
Can you remind us of his tankmates?
About 14 sterbai, 8 cardinals and 7 guppies.


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on May 09, 2017, 11:40:40 am
Nothing there, unless he ate one......I had one choke on guppy fry, but yours are all males aren't they?
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gingerlove05 on May 09, 2017, 12:11:28 pm
Sorry for your loss :(


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on May 09, 2017, 07:45:36 pm
Nothing there, unless he ate one......I had one choke on guppy fry, but yours are all males aren't they?

Yea all males so no chance of and guppy fry. Checked his throat, but nothing lodged. Just an unfortunate mystery. Thought maybe the sterbai may have done their toxin defense mechanism if they got spooked or stressed, but everyone else seems fine.

Thanks for the kind words people.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Feliss on May 11, 2017, 11:23:25 am
Erg sorry for your loss :(
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on May 12, 2017, 05:12:40 pm
Just a quick update since Gary sadly passed and thankfully everything seems to be fine and settled down.

I moved x2 more adult sterbai over to replace his bioload and all parameters seem fine and I have even seen the sterbai breeding and carrying eggs around with them today, which to me says the water quality is good. Don't know what happened with the gourami, but staying positive all the rest of the fish seem happy and it was just a random blip.

Also since adding my home made root tabs the amazon swords seem to be standing up a little taller and the leaves don't look quite so flimsy (may just be my imagination) and a little less yellow. Thankfully ammonia has stayed at zero too.

Tank is starting to look nice and active with so many cories in now and I've got used the 'HD' LED lights. Can't wait to get the albino sterbais across in the next week or so as well. They'll definitely pop against the black background.

Still on the hunt for the 'right' bog wood or roots to decorate the tank and I'm trying to find somewhere that sells egeria densa or cabomba for background plants, but can't find anywhere other than ebay.

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gingerlove05 on May 12, 2017, 05:27:39 pm
Aquarium Gardens i imagine will have them, if not i'm sure Dave can tell you when he can get some in.
I got my big bit of wood from there as well but i went to the shop and found it


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Suelo on May 12, 2017, 05:32:51 pm
Also, you have a look at plants alive (https://plantsalive.co.uk/individual-plants.html). They definitely do both those plants. I've used both suppliers, but did get some hitchhiking snails from Plants Alive. Was happy with their plants though.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on May 12, 2017, 11:39:18 pm
Thanks for the replies.

I tried aquarium gardens first, but no luck. Plants alive looks much better stocked for what I'm after. Not sure the high-light cobomba will do well under my LED, but I'm not sure on the output. I'll have a good look over the weekend. The 'bargain surplus plant packs' may be worth a punt too.

Put some bloodworm in the tank earlier and the catfish have been going nuts ever since :) Anyone who says corys are shy and you never see them is doing something wrong!
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on May 13, 2017, 12:24:32 am
https://youtu.be/9mhg9aZ_dAc

Blurry video (shame uploading loses so much quality), but you get the idea...
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Suelo on May 13, 2017, 06:55:10 am
Looks great - I love the Cory!
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on May 31, 2017, 10:51:41 am
So another Birthday came about yesterday and it was off to the fish shop :)

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Many pieces of roots are now soaking and I got 3 different types of plants. The combomba? I was looking for, and er, 2 other types haha. They weren't labelled in the shop, so I just got a mix of types to see what would do best. Got one with larger mixed green and red leaves and a nice bright green smaller leaved plant.

Hoping the wood sinks soon then the rescape can begin :)


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on May 31, 2017, 11:38:32 am
Happy Birthday for yesterday!
*birthday*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gingerlove05 on May 31, 2017, 12:09:30 pm
Happy belated birthday :) look forward to the rescape :)


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Feliss on June 04, 2017, 09:40:52 pm
happy birthday, nice presents :D
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on June 13, 2017, 11:32:17 pm
Firstly thanks for the birthday wishes!

Secondly, I thought I'd better update the log. I've spent a week or so playing around with different layouts in the tank, but pretty happy with how it looks now. I've tied a few of the smaller plants to the wood for ground cover, added background plants that are growing fast and repositioned a couple of the Anson swords. I think the middle 2 will get moved eventually, but I want to see how big they get first.

The sun (yes a mystical yellow fire ball that people of manchester rarely see) came through the window earlier and hit the tank for ten mins, so I whipped the camera out and got a few reasonable natural light pix.

Let me know what you all think of the tank and I welcome feedback on any changes. Excuse the unsightly breeding net. I let 5 of the largest sterbai fry loose tonight too and they're loving life in all the extra space. I'm slowly uploading a video of one pretending to be a cardinal tetra, but I'll drop a link on my sterbai breeding log.

Couple of pix of the new fry on here too. Enjoy! And feel free to drop any feedback.

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gingerlove05 on June 13, 2017, 11:46:32 pm
Nice pics :)
Tank looks good :) wait until it fills out a bit more it'll look lush :)
Loving the purpley colour on the baby, Kas has bluey looking sterbai, but they are very cute :)


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on June 14, 2017, 09:51:55 am
Fry are looking very good. :)
How many do you have now?
Tank looks good as well. *grin*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on June 14, 2017, 10:15:55 am
From the last main batch there's about 20 who are now a decent size. I had a power issue for a day that knocked my heater and filter off and annoyingly caused an ammonia spike too so sadly lost some good sized ones. But all the survivors look good and healthy.

So overall I have around 40 sterbai of various ages now. I'll be selling most of the fry (probably) when they grow on, but loving the different sizes of fish zipping round the tank this morning. Plus the adults are looking frisky again!  *blink*

I'm down to just 5 guppies now, and until my cardinal numbers hopefully increase I've almost got a sterbai only tank. Which I'm actually loving. They're all super active and despite their 'quieter' colours (compared to guppies, etc) it's a really attractive tank to watch. 
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on June 14, 2017, 03:09:34 pm
I enjoy watching a herd of corys.
When I had delphax they used to herd everyone else with them. *grin*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on July 14, 2017, 10:28:31 pm
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Just a quick update on the tank and the plants. Since the root tabs have kicked in the swords have got much much bigger and fast! 2 of the background plants hit the surface so I've chopped them down and replanted the cuttings. Sadly the larger leaf background plants aren't doing well and most leaves are going brown and floating round the tank (before I remove them obviously). Annoying as I was going to remove to cabomba and just have the 2 back ground plants, but I may have to rethink things.

All my floating plants seem to have died too. Not sure if it's the extra current, being attacked by fish or the extra plants taking all the nutrients. No great loss, but I did like them in a corner.

Ive shortened the time the light is on in the tank to about 7hrs and plant growth has slowed a bit and algae is minimal at last.

Cardinals and sterbai are all doing well in the main tank. Down to 4 guppies, but they're getting on and not ideal water so I don't hold high hopes. But 4 are ok for now. Lost some babies sporadically in the baby tank the survivors had a major growth spurt!

Think I'll try the cardinal breeding project again in the next week or two and see how that goes. And I'm now considering getting a nice pair of honey gourami if I can find the right ones.




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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Siege on July 14, 2017, 10:48:06 pm
Where abouts are you Si?

Only ask as I'm going to get some sterbai Cory at some point?

Ps. Tank looks good  *grin*

Are you using a liquid fertiliser as well?



Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on July 14, 2017, 11:27:00 pm
Where abouts are you Si?

Only ask as I'm going to get some sterbai Cory at some point?

Ps. Tank looks good  *grin*

Are you using a liquid fertiliser as well?

Hello.

I'm based in Oldham near Manchester. I do travel around with work a fair bit. Where are you located? (Excellent choice on the sterbai by the way)

I've got some flourish fertiliser, but only been using that since I got the new plants, so probably about a month. The dwarf plants attached to the wood seem to have got their green colour back a bit since starting to use that. Only running a low tech set up, so no CO2 or anything.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on July 23, 2017, 08:22:11 pm
Well the last week or so really hasn't done one type of plant any favours. Almost all the leaves are going yellow and brown and falling off.

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Wondering if this was an aquatic plant or not? Strong stem, but leaves just aren't making it. Just go brown and float round the tank.

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The other plants are doing ok, but not sure what to do about the dying kind. I may just try and find a different large leaf plant (ideally not all green in colour) and see if that goes any better.

Any plant recommendations appreciated.


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on July 24, 2017, 09:35:43 am
I don't know what that is......ludwigia perhaps?
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Siege on July 24, 2017, 06:20:00 pm
Where abouts are you Si?

Only ask as I'm going to get some sterbai Cory at some point?

Ps. Tank looks good  *grin*

Are you using a liquid fertiliser as well?

Hello.

I'm based in Oldham near Manchester. I do travel around with work a fair bit. Where are you located? (Excellent choice on the sterbai by the way)

I've got some flourish fertiliser, but only been using that since I got the new plants, so probably about a month. The dwarf plants attached to the wood seem to have got their green colour back a bit since starting to use that. Only running a low tech set up, so no CO2 or anything.

Hi Si,

Sorry missed your post last week.

I'm in Huntingdon, Cambridgeshire.

If you get down to Huntingdon, Cambridge, st Neots, all on the a14 or a1, I'll be more than happy to take a dozen or so sterbai off your hands   *cheers*

Ps. Nice pics in last post.


Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on July 26, 2017, 08:27:58 pm
I don't know what that is......ludwigia perhaps?

I found some in a shop today- ludwigia glandulosa I believe.

It did come with a 'difficult' rating. Annoyingly, there was an almost identical ludwigia next to it, with an easy / beginner rating. Oh well...
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on July 26, 2017, 08:31:05 pm

Hi Si,

Sorry missed your post last week.

I'm in Huntingdon, Cambridgeshire.

If you get down to Huntingdon, Cambridge, st Neots, all on the a14 or a1, I'll be more than happy to take a dozen or so sterbai off your hands   *cheers*

Ps. Nice pics in last post.
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Many thanks.

Sadly that's a bit far and randomly it's the only place I never seem to work...

Which is a shame as I'll have a few ready to go in the next few weeks.

Wouldn't have minded a sneaky tank tour while at yours either ;)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on July 27, 2017, 09:03:33 pm
2 nights ago I stayed up quite late watching my 5 cardinal chase each other round the tank trying to breed. Yesterday daytime the sterbai were spawning too. To summarise, my tank has been alive with activity!

I've been off today and the sterbai have been spawning most of the afternoon. After cleaning and water change the behaviour has been awesome to watch. Will such a big group of sterbai there's been 2/3 groups chasing each other round. At first I wasn't going to rescue any eggs, but 3 stuck to the front of the tank 24hours later gave me the motivation to catch a few. I've only got 8 or so as they're very hard to find in the main planted tank. I'll probably do a more focussed egg-catch and put them in the smaller tank in a few weeks.

During cleaning I removed all the ludwigia that was dying and causing brown leaves and pollution. I've moved a couple of other plants around to occupy the space and it'll looking better already with no bits floating round.

I also managed to catch (took some time and effort) a male and one of the female cardinal tetras from the 'fattening up' tank and put them in a 3rd smaller tank. Hoping they'll spawn tonight. If not, I'll swap the female out for another one and give them another night.

The idea is, if I can get any cardinal eggs / fry to eventually raise them and sterbai fry in the same grow out tank.

If I can find a decent trio of honey gourami too I may be able to quarantine them in the medium tank while any fry grow on in the smallest tank. Just need nature and fortune to work around me the next week or two...

For now though, I'm just enjoying watching the main tank and any fry are just a bonus :)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Siege on July 27, 2017, 09:09:49 pm

Hi Si,

Sorry missed your post last week.

I'm in Huntingdon, Cambridgeshire.

If you get down to Huntingdon, Cambridge, st Neots, all on the a14 or a1, I'll be more than happy to take a dozen or so sterbai off your hands   *cheers*

Ps. Nice pics in last post.

Many thanks.

Sadly that's a bit far and randomly it's the only place I never seem to work...

Which is a shame as I'll have a few ready to go in the next few weeks.

Wouldn't have minded a sneaky tank tour while at yours either ;)
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No problem, just a thought.

If you ever get down this way let me know.

Good luck with the fry. Sound good. I'll watch with interest  *grin*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on July 27, 2017, 09:23:07 pm

Hi Si,

Sorry missed your post last week.

I'm in Huntingdon, Cambridgeshire.

If you get down to Huntingdon, Cambridge, st Neots, all on the a14 or a1, I'll be more than happy to take a dozen or so sterbai off your hands   *cheers*

Ps. Nice pics in last post.

Many thanks.

Sadly that's a bit far and randomly it's the only place I never seem to work...

Which is a shame as I'll have a few ready to go in the next few weeks.

Wouldn't have minded a sneaky tank tour while at yours either ;)

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No problem, just a thought.

If you ever get down this way let me know.

Good luck with the fry. Sound good. I'll watch with interest  *grin*
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It was a good thought. Just a shame about the geography. I'm sure I'll breed a few more in the future too so you never know. Once all 18 or 19 (I'm not quite sure how many I have in the main tank) get to full size, who knows how many eggs I'll be getting. Hoping the albino sterbai will be mature by xmas, so hoping for some white babies in the new year too! That's my next project goal. (After my massive shoal of cardinals)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Siege on July 27, 2017, 10:10:15 pm
Cheers mate, no problem.

I'll be interested to see how you get on with cardinals. Never understood why most are wild caught.
 *cheers*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on July 27, 2017, 10:31:39 pm
Cheers mate, no problem.

I'll be interested to see how you get on with cardinals. Never understood why most are wild caught.
 *cheers*

Apparently they're very hard to breed/ rear. I'll keep things updated as to success and (expected) failures. Think it'll be the first foods I'll struggle with. I've tried and failed to make infusoria. I just made skanky looking green/ brown water. Gotta get some eggs first though...
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on July 28, 2017, 09:17:44 am
You can get tablets for infusoria, Vale! has/had some.....
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Suelo on July 28, 2017, 12:08:32 pm
I've used these also. They are called Protogen, made by Hobby. I bought mine for about £10 from EBay. Here's a  link to how I used them  (https://www.tropicalfishforums.co.uk/index.php/topic,236330.msg2941314.html#msg2941314)

I've also tried culturing infusoria using potatoes (turned brown & stinky), and lettuce (did nothing), but had no success.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Dave65 on July 28, 2017, 08:46:08 pm
Paramecium is one of the best infusoria I have cultured, just fed it with dried banana skin and made up a fresh one every few weeks using some of the old one to start it with. I think you can get starter cultures from eBay, once established you can pass on starters to other people in the post.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on July 28, 2017, 10:31:23 pm
Hmm, never seen protogen. So do you just dissolve the sticks every few days?

Just been googling/ ebaying live foods and found banana worms. They're apparently smaller than microworms. Would these be ok instead of infusoria or are they still too big.

Can you actually see infusoria with the naked eye? I have x 2 bottle of 'stuff' I tried making them in, but the water is either greenish or brownish after a few days/ weeks. Could this potentially contain infusoria or just manky water?

Dave65 does your culture live in water still or just on banana skin?

Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Suelo on July 28, 2017, 10:57:06 pm
When I used the Protogen stuff, i dropped a couple of the dried sticks into some tank water in a fresh container every couple of days, and after 24 hours syringed some of that water into the fry tank. It doesn't exactly dissolve - more rehydrated. If you imagine some dried smelly mud pellets you would be on the right track. You can, according to the instructions, drop some pellets straight into the tank, but Vale! indicated to me they would increase the nitrates a lot so I'd didn't do that. I could never see any infusoria, and I lost most of the fry though whether that was down to lack of food I don't know.

I've got banana & micro worm cultures. I guess whether banana worms would be eaten by the fry depends on the initial size of the fry. My dwarf gourami fry could not manage banana worms until they were 3-4 weeks old, but they are particularly small fry.

If you liked, I could send you some banana worm starter culture (& micro worms if you don't have them) & some of those pellets to try? I am not at home at the moment, but could send out middle of next week?
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Dave65 on July 28, 2017, 11:10:03 pm
You add the banana skin to some tank water then add the starter culture, you can just see the paramecium with the naked eye.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on July 31, 2017, 08:35:14 pm
When I used the Protogen stuff, i dropped a couple of the dried sticks into some tank water in a fresh container every couple of days, and after 24 hours syringed some of that water into the fry tank. It doesn't exactly dissolve - more rehydrated. If you imagine some dried smelly mud pellets you would be on the right track. You can, according to the instructions, drop some pellets straight into the tank, but Vale! indicated to me they would increase the nitrates a lot so I'd didn't do that. I could never see any infusoria, and I lost most of the fry though whether that was down to lack of food I don't know.

I've got banana & micro worm cultures. I guess whether banana worms would be eaten by the fry depends on the initial size of the fry. My dwarf gourami fry could not manage banana worms until they were 3-4 weeks old, but they are particularly small fry.

If you liked, I could send you some banana worm starter culture (& micro worms if you don't have them) & some of those pellets to try? I am not at home at the moment, but could send out middle of next week?

Hi Suelo,

Many thanks for the kind offer. I may take you up on that, but at a slightly later date (3/4 weekish?) if that's ok? I've tried the cardinal breeding again this week, but just checked the tank and can't see anything other than sand grains and fish poop :( I'm going to give it 3/4 weeks to fatten the girlies up more and I've seperated the males. But I very much appreciate the kind offer!
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on July 31, 2017, 08:46:26 pm
Quick update tonight, as I'm sat by my 48 litre tank waiting for a very shy trio of honey gourami to make an appearance!

I saw them in Maidenhead aquatics a few days ago, but they had just arrived so weren't for sale. There was 1 or 2 slightly orangey males at the time and some pretty bland tank mates. I went back tonight and thought they'd added some new ones as the tank was packed with colour! The males were a dark burnt orange colour with bright yellow fins and the blue steel chin. I wasn't 'fully' intending to buy any today, but they looked soooo good and x3 hoenys for less than £12 was an offer I couldn't leave.

They'll live in my 48 litre for a month or so with a couple of cardinal tetra (not ideal I know) and a few remaining sterbai fry before I add them to the main tank, all being well. I added a few fake plants back in for extra cover so they feel safe. Just hope they turn out nice and bright.

The 2 females look very silver at the moment with yellow fins and he just looks washed out. I am already tempted to go back and buy a more yellow male (plus another female) but the chap in the shop said they're selectively bred for colour so I thought may be a risky hybrid. Any thoughts welcomed....

Excited!! (Pics to follow later if they pop out to say hello, then more in the next day or two when hopefully they colour up!)

Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on July 31, 2017, 10:31:17 pm
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Best I can get for now. Can't wait for him to colour up
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Suelo on July 31, 2017, 11:11:28 pm
Hello gourami  *2116*

They look lovely, I can see why you are pleased with them!

I am happy to send out a culture whenever would work for you. Between 20th & 30th August might not be possible, but anytime before or after would be fine. Just send me a PM if or when you want them.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on August 01, 2017, 09:34:04 am
Lovely. :)
I kept mine in a 40l, so not a problem. ;)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on August 01, 2017, 03:12:36 pm
Hello gourami  *2116*

They look lovely, I can see why you are pleased with them!

I am happy to send out a culture whenever would work for you. Between 20th & 30th August might not be possible, but anytime before or after would be fine. Just send me a PM if or when you want them.

You're a star, will do. Many thanks!


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on August 01, 2017, 03:14:07 pm
Lovely. :)
I kept mine in a 40l, so not a problem. ;)

Do you think 5 would work? I'm very tempted to go back and get a yellow male and female... or would i need x2 more females? Does he look like a 'true' honey to you Ian or is he a bit red? Can't work out what is natural or morph...


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gingerlove05 on August 01, 2017, 03:26:02 pm
He looks like a true honey to me, already showing a dark chin as well :) very nice :)


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on August 02, 2017, 09:26:06 am
The middle pic is the most suspect. I think it's a female in non-breeding colours, but it could be a male in disguise mode.
The last pic? He is definitely a true he. :)
You can have two true male honeys, but not the morphs or hybrids, both of which seem to be typical grumpy males.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on August 02, 2017, 08:51:02 pm
The middle pic is the most suspect. I think it's a female in non-breeding colours, but it could be a male in disguise mode.
The last pic? He is definitely a true he. :)
You can have two true male honeys, but not the morphs or hybrids, both of which seem to be typical grumpy males.

Glad I didn't go back and buy a yellowy one then. I had a look but I could almost see the dwarf shape in him. Hoping the 'females' are both actually female. They're both massively fat in the belly so I'm hoping they're definite females.

Are they breeding colours the stripe along the belly?

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'She' has a faint one, but not as prominent as the other. Still think it could be a secret male?


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on August 02, 2017, 09:36:12 pm
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This is her from the front. She's a bit of a balloon...


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on August 02, 2017, 10:58:21 pm
Probably female, but not gravid.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on August 03, 2017, 10:32:02 pm
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Just some piccies of 'Captain Bluebeard' now he's settled in. Cool to see him changing colours. The females do too. Their stripes appear and disappear. Cool trio!

Are honey gourami likely to eat plants by the way? And algae? Since adding them to the tank the wood that was black with algae has completely cleared and I've seen them nipping at what I thought was Algae on the plants but there's a few leaves missing off the cabomba. Any thoughts?


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Siege on August 03, 2017, 10:34:58 pm
Nice pics  *grin*

Don't know about honey gourami but my pearl gourami don't eat my plants but they really really love a piece of courgette, the softer the better.

If I leave a bit in too long they demolish it!

Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Suelo on August 03, 2017, 10:47:06 pm
The Captain's got his breeding colours on! Looking at his colouration, has he been pulling at leaves to try to start a bubble nest? My male dwarf gourami pulls at all my plants for loose bits when he's making a nest, & then he swims off with whatever he's managed to pull free.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on August 04, 2017, 11:14:46 am
Cabomba is a little tempting for fish anyway ;)
The male looks really cool now, are the females getting fatter? Give them some decent small protein (daphnia/brine shrimp/etc.) and see what happens. I have had them spawn, but they are notoriously difficult to raise.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on August 04, 2017, 07:18:35 pm
Thanks for all the replies.

Just after I posted the question, one of the females ripped a leaf off and spat it out into the tank right in front of me. Think I've found at least one of the 'gardeners'.

Regarding spawning, I've got the filter really agitating the surface so I think there's zero chance of any bubble nest building at the moment. The plan was never to breed them really, just have a male in breeding mode to get the best displays. I may have a go one day if/ when I manage to get some infusoria sorted and some more cardinals first.

I did want some floating plants in the main tank, but due to having a filter output at both ends of the tank, all my water lettuce seemed to get pushed to the sides and got no light and consequently died off. Which is annoying as I know gourami like the cover. Not sure whether to reposition the outputs so they're both at one end?

Also would reducing the flow rate/ output power reduce the overall filter performance? I have a fluval 306 that has adjustable flow, but surely that would mean less water/LPH turnover?

Fish are getting some peas and 'water fleas' (can't remember what they are) for dinner tonight. Will see how they all get on with that.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Suelo on August 04, 2017, 07:29:32 pm
Could you use some (e.g.) fishing line to corral some floating plants? I use it to keep them (well most of them) in one area in each tank, and it does stop the filter sweeping them round & round.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on August 08, 2017, 04:42:02 pm
Just a quick update.

Been having filter issues the past 2 weeks. My fluval 306 has started sounding like a road drill!

Gone back to Hagen and they've sent me a new impeller cover as the one I had never seemed to fit from new. No better with the new better fitting cover. Then they sent me a new impeller. Tiny bit better. Like a well lubricated road drill...

I've tried priming, shaking, tilting and starting with the filter empty each time to refill it, but it's still rattling. Hagen have been good so far trying to sort a solution, but I'm getting tired (literally as it's disrupted my sleep) of the issue. I only got one as I'd read how quiet they were compared to my APS 1000ef.

In other news, I went to Bolton today to collect something from Gumtree and had a google about fish shops while I was there. Found an excellent one with a 'managers special' offer of neon tetra, cardinal tetra or rummy nose tetra for £2 each on BOGOF! So £1 per fish! Bargain me thinks.

Annoyingly I'm away for 5 days from tomorrow so I didn't pick any up, but will be getting some cardinals on my return I think. Saves me trying to breed them for now. Just thought I'd share the offer with people on here in the North West. Please don't buy them all before I get back please!!
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: piker on August 08, 2017, 04:48:22 pm
Just a quick update.

Been having filter issues the past 2 weeks. My fluval 306 has started sounding like a road drill!

Gone back to Hagen and they've sent me a new impeller cover as the one I had never seemed to fit from new. No better with the new better fitting cover. Then they sent me a new impeller. Tiny bit better. Like a well lubricated road drill...

I've tried priming, shaking, tilting and starting with the filter empty each time to refill it, but it's still rattling. Hagen have been good so far trying to sort a solution, but I'm getting tired (literally as it's disrupted my sleep) of the issue. I only got one as I'd read how quiet they were compared to my APS 1000ef.

In other news, I went to Bolton today to collect something from Gumtree and had a google about fish shops while I was there. Found an excellent one with a 'managers special' offer of neon tetra, cardinal tetra or rummy nose tetra for £2 each on BOGOF! So £1 per fish! Bargain me thinks.

Annoyingly I'm away for 5 days from tomorrow so I didn't pick any up, but will be getting some cardinals on my return I think. Saves me trying to breed them for now. Just thought I'd share the offer with people on here in the North West. Please don't buy them all before I get back please!!
What stores that at?


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on August 08, 2017, 05:29:39 pm
Maindenhead aquatics Bolton. It's part of a garden centre there. They have a 10ft discuss tank too with some massive sterbai in. Well worth a visit IMO. You been? (save me some cardinals please!)

Also had some 'giant corydoras', which did look really nice (and tempting), but at x3 for £59.99, I gave them a miss...
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: piker on August 08, 2017, 06:08:45 pm
No not been do you know the name

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on August 08, 2017, 07:50:22 pm
No not been do you know the name

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I just googled maidenhead aquatics bolton and it took me to the garden centre. Just followed google maps...
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: piker on August 08, 2017, 08:15:53 pm
Ok cheers going tommorow buying all the cardinals
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on August 08, 2017, 10:51:53 pm
Ok cheers going tommorow buying all the cardinals

Nooooooooooo!
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on August 08, 2017, 10:55:12 pm
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Finally got a reasonable photo of 'The Captain' tonight. He's not in breeding mode, but nice to see him finally starting to come out of hiding.

Just to be clear. Are the yellow/ gold morphs a natural morph or have they been crossbred with dwarfs or altered in some other way? I did see a lovely yellow/ orange male today. Still very tempted to get one and a yellow female. Read some places they're natural, just selectively bred?!? A bit like strains of guppies? Or has something more sinister gone on?


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: piker on August 08, 2017, 10:55:18 pm
Ha ha i wish i had a tank big enough. Will go and have a look over the weekend.

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on August 13, 2017, 09:57:29 pm
Ha ha i wish i had a tank big enough. Will go and have a look over the weekend.

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Did you make it in to have a look round?
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on August 13, 2017, 10:06:30 pm
Happy Sunday everyone.

After 2 weeks of quarantine I decided my new gourami looked healthy enough to get moved into the big tank. The females at least. I transferred the two I believe are female (one is definite, but the other I'm still 5% unsure). They seem to stick really close together as they're exploring the tank, but definitely seem to be enjoying the extra plant cover in the new tank.

I'll wait another week and let the pair settle in and find all the hiding spots and safe spaces before captain blue beard (the male) gets transferred across too.

After watching them the last week or two it's amazing how much honey gourami change colours and patterns from one minute to the next. It's very hard to tell which fish is which half the time.

I also ordered a new siphon for water changes (cheap ebay thing), but it was terrible! Tiny, super cheap and flimsy and soooo slow to actually empty the tank. Has anyone got any recommendations of a good seller of them? I've had a couple of £2-3 ones off ebay in the past and they've been great, lasting about a year before the plastic cracks, but this one is just pants! Ebay link/ seller recommendations appreciated.

Thanks
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Suelo on August 13, 2017, 10:17:23 pm
Glad the gourami are doing well, and enjoying their new tank.  *grin*

I can't help with syphon recommendations - I've had the same problem buying from Amazon. Bought a cheap one last year - it was great, and still doing well. Bought 2 more the same from the same seller & they are a much flimsier plastic with very little suction/flow.  :(
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on August 14, 2017, 09:41:24 am
As to your previous question about the morphs/hybrids..... If they are small and honey-shaped, then they're colour morphs. If they aren't, and have a strange or even full dwarf size and shape, then they're hybrids.
I don't know how they get hybrids as the honeys are difficult enough to get to spawn and then successfully raise fry as it is........
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on August 14, 2017, 08:40:35 pm
As to your previous question about the morphs/hybrids..... If they are small and honey-shaped, then they're colour morphs. If they aren't, and have a strange or even full dwarf size and shape, then they're hybrids.
I don't know how they get hybrids as the honeys are difficult enough to get to spawn and then successfully raise fry as it is........


Just to be clear then, the 'colour morphs' are natural occurring fish originally, but just line bred like guppies for specific colours / patterns? And therefore safe to get?

It's just the weird shaped ones that are potentially hybrids? I've never seen a yellow dwarf gourami so confused how they'd turn out this colours if crossed with a dwarf??


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on August 15, 2017, 08:41:58 am
You'd be surprised what some farms will do. It was the Far East that got into cichlid hybrids (blood parrots etc.), so they'll probably try anything.
Colour morphs are just line bred.

I still don't see the point as natural colours (and species) are beautiful, man doesn't need to play with them.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on August 17, 2017, 11:21:59 pm
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The female honey gourami seem to hide a lot since moving into the new tank. Think the flow is a bit much for them at the moment. Or maybe they need more friends?

And just a cute young sterbai playing on the plant leaves

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on August 18, 2017, 09:14:49 am
They do tend to hide and then come out feeding time when they start to condition. I think they may try to lure the males into whatever quiet corner they've found.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on August 18, 2017, 10:03:02 am
They do tend to hide and then come out feeding time when they start to condition. I think they may try to lure the males into whatever quiet corner they've found.

I barely see them :(

Hoping the male will be a bit more active and visual when I move him across next week. He seems a big agitated in the 48litre since I've moved his lady friends out. Constantly, frantically swimming back and forward.

Regarding feeding, I barely see them eat. The tank gets a mix of sinking pellets and flake most days, some micro worms and occasional frozen food. Never seen them go mad for any of it. Maybe they just don't eat much, or maybe they're secret eaters?
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on August 18, 2017, 11:05:29 am
I use granules, not flake, (and the rest of a mix as well ;) ) and mine used to eat whenever fed.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on August 19, 2017, 01:19:43 pm
Yesterday I repositioned one filter output from the right of the tank to the left, so both outputs now enter the tank on the left.

I made the holes in the short spray bar bigger (drilled them out) then pointed the still powerful flow at the glass on the left, so it bounces off there and back into the tank.

The plan was to create a slower moving area of the tank on the right that the honey gourami may feel better in. The left side is well agitated now and good flow and this dwindles as it reaches the right hand side as planned.

I've probably seen the honey gourami 10 times today. Which is probably more than the cumulative times I've seen them in the last week! Also one has spent the last hour parading around the front of the tank and generally being out and active. Hopefully this is a sign of the behaviour to come and the other female will follow suit.

The tank has been super-active for the last 48hrs with the sterbai going mental, constantly spawning, which is always entertaining to watch. I'm not currently collecting eggs, due to needing my 48litre tank for quarantining the hopeful new arrivals next week. Really enjoying the tank today though. :)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on August 21, 2017, 05:31:02 pm
Today I've just done the weekly maintenance and had to catch 2 young Sterbai (easier said than done- fast little critters!) out the main tank and put them in my 48L (with the other 4) as they're hopefully going to a new home with Piker this week. I've also swapped 'Captain Blue Beard' (Male honey gourami) from the 48 into the main tank. Sure he'll be much happier with his lady friends again and a lot more space and plants to play in.

As my phone only uploads to Youtube at 240 (terrible pixellated quality) instead of 720 or 1080, I'm going to have a go at doing a video with my DSLR later (easier said than done) and show a proper tank update either tonight or tomorrow ideally. Other than my last remaining sad looking guppy, I'm really happy how the tank is coming along :)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: piker on August 21, 2017, 07:45:02 pm
I will be in touch when i finish work, feel free to collect any cory eggs and bag em up
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on August 21, 2017, 08:06:30 pm
I will be in touch when i finish work, feel free to collect any cory eggs and bag em up

They've pretty much all been scoffed! Gotta be quicker than that ;)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on August 21, 2017, 10:58:03 pm
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Well the captain has settled in beautifully. Managed to draw both females out of hiding (as I was hoping for) and he's been colouring up and swimming all over which has been great to see.

Not sure if I'll manage to upload a piccy or not, but I've tried...


Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on August 22, 2017, 09:12:09 am
Lovely! *grin*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gingerlove05 on August 22, 2017, 09:27:47 am
The colours on him are awesome, really does have a blue/black beard ;)
Lovely looking fish :)


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: piker on August 22, 2017, 11:54:56 am
Seen this tank today and its a credit to you, really healthy looking tank and fish.
 I have no doubt you will get them breeding.

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on August 22, 2017, 02:21:27 pm
Seen this tank today and its a credit to you, really healthy looking tank and fish.
 I have no doubt you will get them breeding.

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Very nice of you to say.

Great to meet you too. Many thanks for collecting the sterbai. I went straight to Bolton (after dropping some stuff off) and picked up 10 more cardinals on offer so that small tank is full (ish) again.

The plan was never to get the honey to breed, just display. But you never know with my water... ;)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on August 22, 2017, 05:51:30 pm
VIDEO TIME   *2116*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgOoyhLG7BA

Not the greatest, but it's not pixellated and I had to continuously manually focus my camera, so not bad considering. But you get the idea.

Let me know what you think.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on August 23, 2017, 12:12:30 pm
Very nice :)
Good to see the corys sifting the sand through their gills. *grin*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gingerlove05 on August 23, 2017, 01:10:19 pm
That baby cory is so cute!
Tank looks very nice, your honey seems very active :)


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Title: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on September 03, 2017, 09:08:26 pm
Just a quick update.

Snails!

Malaysian trumpet snails to be exact.i got them to help churn up the sand in the main tank.

I added 11 to the small tank.

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And a fair few to the main tank...

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When added, the sterbai went mental and looked like they were attacking the snails. I tried burying the snails, but the sterbai dug them up! Not sure if I've just given them a free dinner. Hoping it was just excitement and inquisitiveness. Hope some have survived. Most have disappeared now.

Hopefully under the sand, rather than inside a catfish.

Did a little gardening too as the cabomba is going crazy. All good other than that. :)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on September 04, 2017, 09:16:33 am
I've never had corys eat snails. They do have a snuffle around the shells, so there might be micro-organisms there......
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on September 04, 2017, 09:33:44 pm
I've never had corys eat snails. They do have a snuffle around the shells, so there might be micro-organisms there......

They were proper attacking them. There seems to be 6/7 that may be dead now as a result. Or maybe these were weak survivors that have been in thepostal system for 2/3 weeks. They do aggressively snuffle them if they pop up.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: piker on September 05, 2017, 08:45:06 am
Mine dont bother with them, even your new additions to my tank are behaving ha ha.
There doing well and looking very healthy, good work raising them.

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on September 05, 2017, 09:22:48 pm
Mine dont bother with them, even your new additions to my tank are behaving ha ha.
There doing well and looking very healthy, good work raising them.

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Just my luck then! Probably just super excited to see something that could potentially be food. Not sure how any shrimp will fare in there if I get round to adding some. Keep me posted if/ when your colony of red crystals rebuilds and if you want to get rid of some let me know. I did read shrimp need hard water or their shells start to weaken over time and eventually they don't make it. Bit worried about my soft water for them. Have yours been fine? How long you had them for?

Really glad to hear the little sterbai are nicely settled. They had some in my local maidenhead aquatics today, for £11.49 each! It's mad the different prices in different shops. I'll keep an eye on your thread for piccies of them growing up in the future.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Briganti on September 05, 2017, 09:29:01 pm
You can help the soft water problem with cuttlebone (The stuff budgies chew on). You can get a full one for a few pennies in a pet shop and either break a bit off, boil it till it sinks and then drop it in the tank or grind a bit into powder and put that in.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on September 05, 2017, 10:27:39 pm
You can help the soft water problem with cuttlebone (The stuff budgies chew on). You can get a full one for a few pennies in a pet shop and either break a bit off, boil it till it sinks and then drop it in the tank or grind a bit into powder and put that in.

Would that harden the water? Or just give the shrimp something to eat?? How does it work? I really don't want to harden the water if I can avoid it because of all the fish stock.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: piker on September 05, 2017, 11:55:29 pm
Crystals should do fine in your water, if they breed (when in your case lol) the babies will most likely be eaten though, thats whats happened in my community tank with the low grades i put in.
I will definitely sort you some out when the numbers get up again.
Cuttlefish bone can help and a good varied diet including shrimp king mineral or similar foods also helps.
Ive only been keeping them this year so still learning with them but so far so good. Just need a bigger tank when funds allow, sending the kids back to high school has dented cash flow these past few weeks.


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on September 11, 2017, 11:27:18 pm
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Quarantine has gone well for the 10 new cardinals, so 5 (all female I think) have been moved over to the main tank. This has made the shoal up to 13. The tank is already starting to look brighter with the swirling mass of colour. Going to wait 2 weeks and add the other 5. Not sure whether or not to try and get my big fat female to try and spawn with a new male before I add the chaps. She is an absolute balloon, but doesn't seem interested in either Fella currently in the main tank. Hmm...


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Suelo on September 11, 2017, 11:37:39 pm
Looking very nice  *grin*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on September 12, 2017, 08:57:13 am
Cardinals are stunning in larger groups...... :)
If the new males are quarantined then go for it. ;)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on September 19, 2017, 01:14:12 pm
Sad times in the big tank today.

During the water change I found one of the female honey gourami dead in the plants. I was sad, but then when i found a dead cardinal too I started to panic a bit!

Water tests showed zero ammonia or nitrite, so not sure why they both snuffed it this week. There was one (new) cardinal that did look paler/ greyer/ less vibrant than the others and I think it may have been that one that died. Neither fish showed any signs of illness or any unusual markings that I could see, only paler colours due to death I assume. The gourami was very fat, but I assumed she was just ready to spawn. Who knows. I was expecting the odd loss of the new cardinals, but just a shock to find them both in the same day. Hopefully that'll be it for now. I'm away til Friday so fingers crossed everything is good until I get home. Glad I found them at least before I left for work.

All the other fish look happy so keep your fingers crossed for me :)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gingerlove05 on September 19, 2017, 02:10:58 pm
Sorry for your losses :(
Hope thats all, fingers crossed


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Suelo on September 19, 2017, 04:05:43 pm
Sorry for your losses, Si  :(

Yes, cross fingers for the others.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Feliss on September 19, 2017, 04:41:54 pm
RIP, fingers crossed for you
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on September 19, 2017, 08:26:08 pm
Sorry for your losses. :(
Two of my three female honeys died egg-bound.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on September 21, 2017, 10:09:33 pm
Sorry for your losses. :(
Two of my three female honeys died egg-bound.

That's very sad, do you think I should've tried to induce spawning?
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: piker on September 21, 2017, 10:11:03 pm
Just a bit of bad luck hopefully

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on September 21, 2017, 10:17:05 pm
Thanks everyone. Just got home (earlier than expected). All fish look fine. 2 gourami look great, 12 cardinals accounted for and, er, lots of sterbai...

My other 5 cardinals will be added over the weekend if the water checks come back zero over the next day or two. Maybe is was just a coincidentally timed death of a weak cardinal and an egg-bound gourami as Ian suggests.

I'm surprised the largest cardinal female still hasn't laid eggs or died from being egg bound and she's huge and shaped like a box! Looks like she's swallowed a dice! Nice shoaling action going on tonight though :) I'll get a video update when work quietens down and I've added the extras.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on September 22, 2017, 09:28:17 am
I'm not, my two lemon females still aren't letting go, that's months! *rolleyes*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on September 26, 2017, 08:25:33 am
I know what you're thinking...


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What's in the bag?????
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on September 26, 2017, 09:33:46 am
OK, what's in the bag????????
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Suelo on September 26, 2017, 09:59:09 am
The yellow honeys?
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: gwnm on September 26, 2017, 11:35:27 am
more cardinals :)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on September 26, 2017, 10:42:17 pm
Suelo wins! Piccies to follow soon :D


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Suelo on September 26, 2017, 11:54:45 pm
 *applause* *applause* *applause*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on September 27, 2017, 08:44:09 am
How soon????????????????? ;) *grin*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: chesterjohn on September 27, 2017, 05:10:51 pm
Where did you get them from? Did you ever check out JayDee aquatics?

Look forward to pics, mine are lovely. Even the females are nice, but the male looks far better than my camera does him justice
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on September 28, 2017, 07:44:14 am
How soon????????????????? ;) *grin*


Haha, patience is a virtue...


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on September 28, 2017, 07:48:17 am
Where did you get them from? Did you ever check out JayDee aquatics?

Look forward to pics, mine are lovely. Even the females are nice, but the male looks far better than my camera does him justice

Timings with work didn't work out so never made it. Ended up randomly working near Warrington so popped in a place called fish cove. It seemed to be owned by the most passive aggressive miserable angry man I've met in the hobby. But he did have a tank of about 40 sunset honey's. Sadly his attitude was really off putting, but the gourami looked good. Thought he was going to throw me out the shop when I said I'd be putting them into a quarantine tank. His fish don't need quarantine! Apparently! :/

I may actually get a couple more as the 'male' (still small/ hard to tell gender) really is a solid gold colour. If I'm down that way soon...


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on September 28, 2017, 08:44:21 am
I love grumpies like that, they make me feel much better. ;) *grin*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on September 28, 2017, 08:33:58 pm
I love grumpies like that, they make me feel much better. ;) *grin*

Haha.

The most annoying thing is his 'perfect fish that don't need quarantining' see to have a big lump on one of their chins. The female had a little lump (only noticed it when I got home), but it's now the size of her eye.  :censored2:

It just looks like skin. No unusual colour, just a potentially growing lump. Not sure what to do about it. Can't find anything too similar on google. Thought she may have hurt her lip in transit or while being caught and it may go down. Not so sure now. Hope it's nothing serious / contagious as I'm super-happy with how the other one looks.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on September 29, 2017, 08:13:20 am
Garlic. ;)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on October 08, 2017, 11:42:14 am
Keep forgetting to buy any! The lump hasn't got any better or any worse and both fish look ok for now.

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Here's the female. (she wouldn't show her face)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on October 08, 2017, 11:43:30 am
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And my male! Super-happy with 'him'. I'm assuming it's a male and the other is female...
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on October 08, 2017, 11:53:26 am
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And just a general update. I now have 17 cardinals in the main tank, which has added some colour and nice behaviour/ shoaling. The sterbai often 'start' a shoal then the cardinals join in, which is pretty cool to see.

The top of the tank is definitely looking dull and bereft of colour though now that all my guppies have finally gone. The male honey gourami (the Captain) was meant to brighten things up, but since one of the 2 females died, he doesn't seem interested in mating and his colours are very pale and washed out. I hope the extra male and female I'll add after quarantining will spice things up and bring out the displaying behaviours a bit more. I was quite tempted to just get 5/6 male honeys and lose the silver/ duller females, but I'm a bit undecided now. Any thoughts appreciated.

I'm even wondering if bosemani rainbow fish or even a discuss or two may have been a better choice of centre piece/ bright fish. Time will tell.

I've had a few plant issues over the past month too. Pretty much all my dwarf (i think they're swords) seem to be quickly dying. The leaves turn brown, clear, then just rot. Not sure what's different. I'm using seachem flourish fertiliser once a week with the water changes, but I've lost pretty much all of them. Also brown algae seems to be covering my larger amazon swords leaves more that it used to. Not sure what has changed. Maybe the re positioning of the filters? I may swpa them back so theres an input and output at each end again. Lights are still on for about 7 hrs (this hasn't changed). Any other ideas appreciated.

Si
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: chesterjohn on October 08, 2017, 03:38:26 pm
Do you dose any macro fertilisers or CO2?

I struggle to tell the difference between a lot of the deficiencies, but what you're describing sounds like nitrogen deficiency. CO2 or phosphate isn't too dissimilar either.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on October 08, 2017, 04:20:59 pm
Do you dose any macro fertilisers or CO2?

I struggle to tell the difference between a lot of the deficiencies, but what you're describing sounds like nitrogen deficiency. CO2 or phosphate isn't too dissimilar either.

Nope just flourish.

They’ve been fine for a few months, then within 2-3 weeks, all just perished weirdly. I wondered if it was iron deficiency, but like you say, it’s hard to tell the difference with different issues.


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: chesterjohn on October 08, 2017, 04:34:10 pm
I used to only dose flourish and had the exact same problems. Maybe try something like TNC complete which others have reported success with. EI is probably the cheapest method, although if you don't have CO2, it might be overkill.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gingerlove05 on October 08, 2017, 04:43:56 pm
I’ve used the TNC complete when i first planted and it was good, easy to dose and worked well without co2. I’m now using EI ferts at about 3/4 dose with no CO2, i started at half after some advice on here and I’ve increased it since and I’m currently experimenting with dry dosing the ferts instead of pre-mixing.


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on October 08, 2017, 08:31:34 pm
I’ve seen people mention El ferts, but never really know what that means?


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Title: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gingerlove05 on October 08, 2017, 09:57:20 pm
EI - estimative index
Ill find the link to explain it for you :)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: chesterjohn on October 09, 2017, 05:57:47 am
The basis of it is that you overdose nutrients to there are no deficiencies for the plants and then stop the build up by doing large water changes.

I wasn't sure if it would be a good idea in a low tech setup, but sounds like GL has had success.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on October 09, 2017, 10:25:29 am
Interesting.

I may just keep root-feeding plants moving forward as my root tabs seem to be working a treat. Everyone is very keen to promote live plants, but they do seem to be a lot of hassle.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: chesterjohn on October 09, 2017, 07:09:08 pm
They're hard work, but that's what makes it so satisfying when you start to find a recipe for success. I've not found the magic sauce just yet, but every thing I change seems to take a step closer. Just need to lose the green algae and get my red plants to... turn red  *grin*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on October 10, 2017, 09:50:49 pm
They're hard work, but that's what makes it so satisfying when you start to find a recipe for success. I've not found the magic sauce just yet, but every thing I change seems to take a step closer. Just need to lose the green algae and get my red plants to... turn red  *grin*

Sure I read dosing extra iron helps red plants become redderererer (I'm pretty sure that's a word). Might be worth a try.

Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: chesterjohn on October 11, 2017, 07:45:28 am
Today was supposed to be a rest day for my ferts, but I think I'll add trace elements again and see if that helps. I read the same thing, but there was still iron in the water when I measured it on Saturday after 2 days of forgetting to dose.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on October 23, 2017, 10:34:47 pm
It's been a few weeks since posting (life gets in the way sometimes) and I'm still in a quandry about my new honey gourami. The female still has a lump under her chin. Doesn't seem to affect her at all and she behaves normally with no changes noticed. Both new honey's have been quarantined about a month, so should be ready to be transferred to the main tank, but the lump is putting me off. I finally got some garlic and dosed the main and quaratine tank. None of the fish seemed to eat any of it though and I siphoned most of it out 24 hours later. A week-ish late and no changes. Any thoughts? Did I not do the garlicthing right? I just grated and crushed some fresh stuff up.

Hmmm.....
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on October 24, 2017, 10:46:07 am
The juice will have had some effect. :)
They tend not to eat the "flesh" for the first couple of times you use it.

Can you get new pics of the honey?
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on October 25, 2017, 08:54:44 pm
The juice will have had some effect. :)
They tend not to eat the "flesh" for the first couple of times you use it.

Can you get new pics of the honey?


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The little one never really stays still so it’s hard to get a good pic as it’s too shiny/ reflective in some light and hard to see at all in other lighting.


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on October 26, 2017, 08:31:56 am
I have no idea what that might be.
Maybe treat for flukes/parasites?
I think they're both male though.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on October 30, 2017, 09:06:29 pm
I have no idea what that might be.
Maybe treat for flukes/parasites?
I think they're both male though.

The most colourful one definitely is male as his silver chin has appeared in the last day or two. The lumpy one I'm still unsure of.

Any recommendations for specific products to use for parasites?

Thanks for the input.

Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on October 31, 2017, 07:50:29 am
Waterlife Sterazin is one of the better meds for problems like this.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on November 01, 2017, 07:11:23 pm
Waterlife Sterazin is one of the better meds for problems like this.

I shall try and get some over the weekend thanks. Got a couple of better images. Zooming in, it just looks like a lump in the skin. Nothing 'stuck' to the fish as such. Thoughts appreciated. And do you deffo think it's male? I only seem to be able to upload one pic at a time so I'll do three posts. I did seperate the other definite male today as they did start to squabble a bit in the last 48 hours. The lumpy one seemingly the aggressor.

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on November 01, 2017, 07:12:11 pm
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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on November 01, 2017, 07:12:40 pm
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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: chesterjohn on November 02, 2017, 07:14:37 am
I thought it looks like my females, but if plankton says male then he's a better judge than me.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on November 02, 2017, 08:28:00 am
I thought it looks like my females, but if plankton says male then he's a better judge than me.

I assumed it was female based on the paler colours/ patterning. But that too fin does look a bit pointy. He/ she is only quite small still. Maybe it’s still a little too early to tell. But yea Ian is usually correct...


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on November 02, 2017, 08:35:02 am
The body doesn't look full enough for a female, and with the pointy fins and the different colour on the chin...... ;)
That looks like a parasite trying to get out to me, so treat. Be careful though, labyrinths usually need half-dose medicating.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on November 02, 2017, 09:59:16 am
The body doesn't look full enough for a female, and with the pointy fins and the different colour on the chin...... ;)
That looks like a parasite trying to get out to me, so treat. Be careful though, labyrinths usually need half-dose medicating.

I'll get some sterazin over the weekend then.

My 'female' in the other tank keeps changing colours too. Got a black stripe just on her under fins with 2 males to deal with. She is definitely the dominant one in the tank and I wonder if that's why captain blue beard lost his colours a bit. There's no chance 'she' is a male is there? She's a lot fatter than the males, but also older/ larger.

She has been keeping the captain out of 'her' corner by using he little feeler things for the past few weeks. Yesterday both her and the captain were looking similar colour wise, colouring up due to the addition of yellow male. They're both a nice pinky colour, yellow on top, but she showed black on her finnage, rather than the full chin. It's amazing watching them change colour so much, but also very confusing!

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on November 02, 2017, 10:00:16 am
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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on November 02, 2017, 11:35:18 am
She is a she. :)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on November 06, 2017, 03:48:00 pm
She is a she. :)

Hi Ian,

Just got some sterazin for the lumpy gourami.

It says on it for gill and body flukes that cause flicking and scraping (never seen this happen - lump doesn't seem to both the fish).

It does say it also treats internal worms. Just checking this is the correct stuff to use? There was some other treatment which mentioned abcesses. Would this be more suitable? Or is sterazin the way forward. Just wanted to double check before treating.

I will half-dose as recommended too.

Cheers,

Si
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on November 06, 2017, 04:14:57 pm
That's the stuff. :)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on January 31, 2018, 12:15:25 pm
I’ve just been reading the starting page on my own thread and so glad I started this log as I can’t believe how far the tank has come and the changes I’ve made.
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Here’s the tank today and I’m really happy with how it looks. Goodbye fake plants and hello ‘nature’.

Stocking levels are currently:
19 sterbai (various ages including 4 albino)
17 cardinal tetra (lost a couple I believe to old age recently so considering trying to breed more again)
X3 honey gourami (x2 normal and one yellow sunset)
A lot of Malaysian trumpet snails

Things I’m looking to change...

Get a couple more cardinal tetras as my original 7/8 remaining ones are getting on a bit.

I’m considering removing the biggest amazon sword in the centre of the tank. I can’t believe how big it’s got from the little leaves you can see on the first pic on page one of this log.

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If I remove this, it’ll open up a lot more swimming room and I’ll be able to see my black background again. Hopefully help the fishes colours ‘pop’. Not sure what to do with it as yet. May try and swap it for some smaller plants. TBC.

I’m still on the hunt for another 2/3 yellow/ sunset honey gourami, but I’m still trying to decide what genders I have already and can’t find any in the fish shops again anyway.

Think some crystal shrimp will look amazing too. Just waiting patiently for a forum member to have some spares before I give them a go.

That’s about it for updates for now I think.

Welcome any feedback as always :)



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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Siege on January 31, 2018, 12:23:34 pm
Hi Si.

Tank looking really smart.

Personally I'd leave the large sword plant where it is. At the moment it is the backbone of your tank.

Possible get some smaller mid ground plants for where you are thinking?

A load more cardinals would look smart, up the numbers to nearer 40?

Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Suelo on January 31, 2018, 01:18:00 pm
I think your tank looks great! I love the cabomba forest - especially how it's all different heights. thumbsup
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on January 31, 2018, 04:09:15 pm
Hi Si.

Tank looking really smart.

Personally I'd leave the large sword plant where it is. At the moment it is the backbone of your tank.

Possible get some smaller mid ground plants for where you are thinking?

A load more cardinals would look smart, up the numbers to nearer 40?

Hmm. I see what you're saying, but there's already x2 large swords on the left and one about half the size on the left in front (thankfully it was a slower grower so helped add depth). To be honest I'm seeing less and less of the fish so I feel the plants need a bit of a thin out. And that central ones leaves hits the front of the tank and cuts the swimming room in half. I am thinking of replacing it with something similar, but shorter? Maybe with thinner leaves to make the tank look bigger? Or i may just move the wood that's been swallowed up by the other 3 swords on the left into a slightly more central position and make more of a feature of that.

40 tetras would be super-cool! But I feel I'm already nearing capacity in the tank. If I end up with 19 tetra, 19 sterbai and 6/7 honey gourami, I think that's about my limit. But I have just set up the cardinal breeding tank so I'll see how things go...
Maybe I could swap a few sterbai for some more tetra. Food for thought...
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on January 31, 2018, 04:11:48 pm
I think your tank looks great! I love the cabomba forest - especially how it's all different heights. thumbsup

Thanks Sue. More by luck than judgement. Love how it hides all the heaters and filter intakes, etc. I try to have it sloping down from back to front of the tank, but it grows pretty sporadically so it's hard to keep on top of.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Siege on January 31, 2018, 05:36:27 pm
Oh I see, I thought you were moving the left hand side corner one.

Yes agree you could remove the middle one and replace with something different  *grin*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Stephen on January 31, 2018, 08:29:43 pm
I’ve just been reading the starting page on my own thread and so glad I started this log as I can’t believe how far the tank has come and the changes I’ve made.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180131/c39f31903450808b738230de51209d3b.jpg)

Here’s the tank today and I’m really happy with how it looks. Goodbye fake plants and hello ‘nature’.

Stocking levels are currently:
19 sterbai (various ages including 4 albino)
17 cardinal tetra (lost a couple I believe to old age recently so considering trying to breed more again)
X3 honey gourami (x2 normal and one yellow sunset)
A lot of Malaysian trumpet snails

Your tank looks very nice  *applause*

Stephen
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on February 08, 2018, 08:00:28 am
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Welcome my new addition, another nice male sunset (yellow) honey gourami.

Finding it really hard to find any of these, never mind nice ones in shops. Very odd to say what an attractive, peaceful and easy to keep fish it is. He’ll be sat in quarantine for a month before making it into the big tank.

Hope you like!


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Stephen on February 08, 2018, 10:14:08 am

Welcome my new addition, another nice male sunset (yellow) honey gourami.

Finding it really hard to find any of these, never mind nice ones in shops. Very odd to say what an attractive, peaceful and easy to keep fish it is. He’ll be sat in quarantine for a month before making it into the big tank.

Hope you like!
He looks lovely  *grin*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on February 08, 2018, 12:28:59 pm
Just keep your eye on the colour morphs..... ;)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on February 09, 2018, 12:27:40 pm
Just keep your eye on the colour morphs..... ;)

Thought it was just the ‘red’ ones that were nasty hybrid things? Thought yellows were ok?


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on February 10, 2018, 09:53:38 am
They have still been intensely bred for the colour - who knows what that does to the genetics? ;)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on February 10, 2018, 05:07:23 pm
True. Thanks Ian.

But it didn’t stop me visiting a couple of fish shops on the way home from work today.

New little fella number 2.

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Found him in a random little pet shop and he was the only one they had. The owner said he wouldn’t have any more honeys for weeks or months as they don’t really sell! God knows why. He’s a beaut! Just wondering what the others that sold before him looked like. He’s a pretty decent specimen.

Happy with him. Especially for £3. Steal :)


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on February 10, 2018, 05:41:15 pm
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Quarantine tank is looking good at the moment. :)

On is currently swimmingly vertically trying to seduce the other. Shame they’re both male...

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on February 11, 2018, 10:34:03 am
Hmm......I'm amazed one hasn't gone into disguise mode and shown the lateral stripe.......
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on February 11, 2018, 11:38:24 am
Hmm......I'm amazed one hasn't gone into disguise mode and shown the lateral stripe.......

The smaller one did very briefly show a hint of stripe. Then 5 mins later he was the one displaying, up-ended. Fascinating fish to watch.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on February 23, 2018, 10:31:19 am
Quick update on what's happening in fish-land.

Lost one of my cardinal tetras sadly to swim bladder infection I believe. Died before I could starve her and feed pea, etc. Sad times.

I rehomed the largest (centrally positioned) amazon sword plant and suddenly the tank looks a whole lot bigger again. Lots more swimming room that the cardinals immediately too advantage of so I'm happy with that.

Stock is currently:
x3 honey gourami - 2 normal, one sunset
x19 sterbai cory
x16 cardinal tetra

Quarantine tank:
x2 sunset honey gourami

Other project tank:
Cardinal tetra fry (at least 3 are surviving at the moment)

To try and prevent more cardinals / fish in general getting swim bladder problems from over feeding/ gorging on too much food, I bought an auto feeder yesterday. I've got it set to deliver x3 tiny feeds throughout the day and then I can feed them in the evening. I'm hoping they'll learn to graze, rather than gorge their food. Plus, from what I can gather, they digest food in around 2 hours, so a feed every 3 hours should promote optimal growth/ size in all fish in the tank. That's what I've read anyway. Keeping a close eye on things for the next few days to see how it goes. An input/ experience of autofeeders welcome.

I'll update with photos of the slightly less plan-dominant tank soon.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gingerlove05 on February 23, 2018, 10:51:43 am
Sorry for your loss Si :(
Hope the rest are ok, interesting note on the feeding though! :)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on February 23, 2018, 11:23:03 am
Sorry you lost one :( , but I did say before it'll be ok if the fry can replace the oldies. ;)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: piker on February 24, 2018, 07:57:51 pm
Looking good

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on March 08, 2018, 05:54:58 pm
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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on March 08, 2018, 06:13:21 pm
Finally an updated photo of the tank.

Sadly down to 15 adult tetra, but it is all the older ones that are dying off. Breeding project to replenish them is doing ok though. Got about 4/5 fry growing on well and I'm currently trying to catch more eggs if a fat female or two wants to drop some.

I massively prefer the look of the main tank with the middle amazon sword removed and I also thinned out the cabomba on the right a bit too.

Hoping to get some red crystal shrimp when the weather warms up to complete the tank look. The 2 gourami in quarantine are looking great, so a few more days they'll be joining the main group.

Regarding the auto feeder, I filled it with JMC protein pellets and had it on to feed x3 times a day in the hope of bulking my sterbai up a bit. They have all shown some growth/ a bit of filling out. What I have achieved however is hugely fat tetras!! Some of the girls are massive! They swarm the food before it has chance to hit the floor and the sterbai can get a look in. I like the larger tetra, but I think it's getting a bit out of hand. Maybe i'll go back to the king british pellets as they're larger and the tetra can't swallow them immediately.

I'm considering a python type system to aid with water changes, so about to start a thread on that too. Feel free to take a look and I'll welcome any input. 

 
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on March 08, 2018, 07:21:27 pm
Looks good Si. :)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gingerlove05 on March 08, 2018, 08:16:42 pm
Looking good Si, hope the tetra project keeps going well so you can keep the numbers up :)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: TopCookie on March 08, 2018, 11:23:29 pm
+1 on the looking good there...  Simple, clean & effective...  That looks well nice...   thumbsup
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on March 17, 2018, 07:37:20 pm
Thanks chaps.

Pretty happy how things are going. The 2 new sunset gourami are now done quarantining and currently establishing rank in the main tank. At least 5 baby tetra are still going strong in project tetra so I'm pretty happy with that.

Here's a few piccy updates (not all great, but you get the idea)...

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on March 17, 2018, 07:38:59 pm
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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Suelo on March 17, 2018, 07:42:11 pm
Great news Si! And some lovely coloured fish!
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on March 17, 2018, 07:43:00 pm
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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on March 18, 2018, 10:47:48 am
Male honey getting coloured-up nicely. :)
Great pics. *grin*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on March 19, 2018, 08:05:45 am
Male honey getting coloured-up nicely. :)
Great pics. *grin*

The male 'normal' has been in full display mode since the day before I added the others. He's almost black in the face. Doesn't quite show up as well on the photos. Loving the colour displays at the moment though. :)

Great news Si! And some lovely coloured fish!

Thanks Sue. Really happy how things are coming along :)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gingerlove05 on March 19, 2018, 08:24:14 am
Looking good Si :)
Some very colourful fish!
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on March 19, 2018, 09:01:28 am
Thanks GL.

Here's a quick vid. Colours are a bit washed out from my phone and there's some glare, but you get the idea :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNqXHnNc5U8
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Suelo on March 19, 2018, 09:54:50 am
Wow - the colour of those yellow honeys is really something!
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gingerlove05 on March 19, 2018, 12:08:49 pm
I do love honeys, think my OH likes them more lol
Nice vid Si :)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Feliss on March 20, 2018, 08:01:31 pm
really liking what you've done here :)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: TopCookie on March 20, 2018, 11:14:14 pm
Gotta join in on the we love the Honeys thing...   *grin*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on March 21, 2018, 10:34:55 am
Thanks guys and girls :)

The (yellow) honey were a pain to find/ track down decent ones, but glad I persevered. The male normal one is looking amazing too. His 'beard' has been navy blue/ black for days now, he's really bright orangey colour and his yellow fins are amazing. Loving the contrast of the gourami to each other and the cardinals. The cats (actual feline ones) and I are thoroughly enjoying watching the tank at the moment.

In other updates, the sterbai are now starting to look more rounded (how I wanted them to look). I think the autofeeder is working well now all the fish have gotten used to it. As soon as it moves, they all dive to the top of the tank. Great to watch. One gourami comes to the top/ to my hand if I even open the lid now.

In other news, I've 'finished' my bucket-less, hose driven water change system and managed to do it super cheap too. I'll be testing it over the weekend when the main tank needs a change, but I seem to have recreated a 15m python (RRP £90) for about £12. Fingers crossed that's the end of buckets.

Updates to follow.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on March 22, 2018, 06:14:59 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PB8FlY10rk

Little video of the normal 'pair'.

He's been making a bubble nest behind the fitler inputs in the main tank for the past 48hrs or so. In the hope I may still have a male and female pair, I've removed them both and put them in the 48litre tank to see what happens. Loving his colour. 'She' is a lovely pink too (camera didn't catch it that well, but take my word for it).

Enjoy
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on March 22, 2018, 09:09:27 pm
She isn't fully conditioned yet, she'd be a lot rounder, but he is lovely! *grin*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gingerlove05 on March 22, 2018, 09:49:49 pm
He does have a gorgeous colour! Really black down his chin and chest! Very nice :)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on March 25, 2018, 03:56:02 pm
She isn't fully conditioned yet, she'd be a lot rounder, but he is lovely! *grin*

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Are these what I think they are? Tiny bubble nest with black solid bubbles in between the empty ones. Gotta be gourami fry?

Should I remove them to a fry tank??
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on March 25, 2018, 03:57:47 pm
Wow - the colour of those yellow honeys is really something!

What do I do now Suelo?? Panniiiiiccc! ;)

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Suelo on March 25, 2018, 05:04:43 pm
I never saw my fry in the eggs, but they seemed to hatch pretty quickly, so I guess yours will too. They seemed to stay on top of the bubble nest for about a day - I'm not 100% sure as I was trying not to peek too often. You could take them to a separate tank, I'm sure they would just get eaten in the community tank.

I think my problem was not getting enough food that they could eat to them. I stayed away from liquifry, but you have have good success with that with the cardinals, and it's the one thing I would definitely try if I had gourami fry again.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on March 25, 2018, 07:50:39 pm
I never saw my fry in the eggs, but they seemed to hatch pretty quickly, so I guess yours will too. They seemed to stay on top of the bubble nest for about a day - I'm not 100% sure as I was trying not to peek too often. You could take them to a separate tank, I'm sure they would just get eaten in the community tank.

I think my problem was not getting enough food that they could eat to them. I stayed away from liquifry, but you have have good success with that with the cardinals, and it's the one thing I would definitely try if I had gourami fry again.

I've removed the 2 'big' cardinal fry fro the tank and put all the gourami fry in with the tiny cardinals. Hopefully they may survive together. I used a pipette to remove them from the 48L and one started swimming in the pipette. Exciting times. :)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Suelo on March 25, 2018, 08:00:47 pm
Good luck. I hope they do well for you. *grin*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on March 25, 2018, 08:15:22 pm
Good luck. I hope they do well for you. *grin*

They're more 'bonus' fish, rather than the cardinals, which I want to increase the shoal size again. But any baby fish are a bonus. I'll keep you posted :) Thanks for the input.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on March 27, 2018, 10:18:17 am
I've never seen bubble(nest)s hold on to plants like that. Amazing! :)
I'm not sure what happens if the eggs or early fry fall out of the bubbles, but good luck. They are notoriously difficult to raise.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on April 08, 2018, 09:07:43 pm
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Last Wednesday I removed the remaining honey gourami and returned him to the main tank, leaving the 48L empty for new arrivals. Any guesses who’s moved in the 48??


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gingerlove05 on April 08, 2018, 09:17:54 pm
More fry?
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on April 08, 2018, 09:26:24 pm
More fry?

Solid guess. But it's a new species to me....
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: piker on April 08, 2018, 09:33:17 pm
Give us a clue

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gingerlove05 on April 08, 2018, 09:34:07 pm
Well that really narrows it down!  roflmao
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on April 09, 2018, 07:36:21 am
Well that really narrows it down!  roflmao

Haha, next clue...

They're not fish!  *blink*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: _pjn312_ on April 09, 2018, 07:51:05 am
Tadpoles? Alligators? Shrimp ? Crabs ? Turtles? Crayfish?
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on April 09, 2018, 08:50:45 am
Tadpoles? Alligators? Shrimp ? Crabs ? Turtles? Crayfish?

CORRECT!

Alligators!  roflmao

No wait, all of the above!  *applause*

No wait, just shrimpies  *grin*

Yes I now have a colony (well not a colony yet, but a small gathering) of red crystal shrimp. And I'm super happy with them! Never had shrimp before and this is a bit of a new venture for me so I'm excited to see how things progress. They seem happy in the tank and I'm pretty sure all 13 are still ok (they're a lot better at hiding than I thought they'd be!), but it's still early days.

I got them from a forum member on here and I'm sure he'll be selling more very soon. The colours were super bright, just hours after introducing them into the tank. When I manage to get some reasonable photos that do them justice I'll obviously update the thread. It's first water change today, so fingers crossed, if that goes well I should be ok keeping them alive in my water, etc.

If all goes well and I eventually end up with a 'colony' I'm hoping I can eventually transfer some of the largest over into the main tank. I know they won't be able to breed in there and may get harassed initially, but I'm hoping some will be able to stick it out. That's the long term goal anyway. If you like shrimp, watch this space...

PS - Sorry it's not alligators. Just googling gumtree for a cayman croc tank.... *blink*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on April 09, 2018, 10:54:28 am
My wife saw one in Wharf about 12 years ago and asked if we could have it.........they may be smaller than other crocs, but not that small, and I don't think it would survive in the garden......
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on April 09, 2018, 11:38:36 am
My wife saw one in Wharf about 12 years ago and asked if we could have it.........they may be smaller than other crocs, but not that small, and I don't think it would survive in the garden......

The dream pet would be salt water crocs. When I saw them at australia zoo and in the wild in Darwen, they looked immense! Might need a bigger garden though. At least it'd keep next doors cats away!

 *applause*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: piker on April 09, 2018, 07:12:53 pm
Glad your happy with them.
Dont go mad with water changes, they produce much less waste than fish and like stable conditions. I change 20% every two weeks and just top up for evaporation inbetween.
I added three amano shrimp to my community tank first to get the fish used to having shrimp around. I now add any low grades to the community to improve the line in my shrimp tank. They are pretty active in the community and do breed and carry eggs but i have to admit i dont see any babies until i clean the canister filter and find them in there.
Sure you will do ok with them.

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on April 11, 2018, 12:09:36 am
Yes folks, Piker has done me proud. Lovely shrimp!
Only problem is they’ve been hiding immensely since arrival, until tonight! Finally I can clearly see around 7 of them and one had been actively swimming about. Whether they were just settling in or they were enjoying the buffet on the dirty sponge filters, I don’t know. But the buffet may be running low as they’re out and about, presumably looking for food.

Annoying my dslr doesn’t seem to want to focus on them at all. Which is very annoying. Also the slight curve in the glass of the tank seems to mess up photos further. So sadly it’s just shoddy iPhone pix for now until I find a photography solution that works. It seems unless they’re in perfect light, angle and position, I get nothing. These don’t really do them justice, but here’s some of the new gang.

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: _pjn312_ on April 11, 2018, 09:24:36 am
They look great - all the best for them.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: piker on April 11, 2018, 09:51:50 am
If you see them swimming round its normally the males and a good sign. I would expect them to moult pretty soon after a change of environment so figers crossed for berried females,may be a bit too young yet though.
Seem to be colouring up well.

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on April 11, 2018, 06:15:22 pm
If you see them swimming round its normally the males and a good sign. I would expect them to moult pretty soon after a change of environment so figers crossed for berried females,may be a bit too young yet though.
Seem to be colouring up well.

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Sorry for the pants photo, but is this weird sort of transparent lump that looks like it has eyes possibly a moult? It’s about the size of a shrimp and trying to decide if there’s leg bits coming off it. Right at the back of the tank so hard to say. And I’m best leaving it in so they can reabsorb the good bits. Right?


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: piker on April 11, 2018, 06:21:28 pm
Yes that looks like a moult, your right just leave it in. Keep an eye out for berried females but dont be dissapointed if they drop the eggs when they are young, it can take them a couple of goes to get it right.

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: TopCookie on April 11, 2018, 10:06:07 pm
Looking good Si...!!!   thumbsup
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on May 16, 2018, 12:00:05 am
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Bit of maintenance today. Trimmed the plants on the right down a bit (bit brown, but didn’t have chance to replant, so just trimmed for now), cleaned some black beard algae up and did the usual water change and light filter clean. Off on hols tomorrow for a few weeks so interested to see what I come back to.

Fingers crossed all will be well.

Current stock.

19 sterbai
16 cardinals
7 honey gourami (2 are large fry/ juveniles)




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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gingerlove05 on May 16, 2018, 12:56:31 am
Looking good :)
Hope you have a good holiday! :)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Theycallitguppylove on May 16, 2018, 07:14:48 am
That tank looks great *thumbsup*
Have a good hols
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Suelo on May 16, 2018, 08:34:07 am
Tank looks brilliant! Enjoy your hols!
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on May 16, 2018, 08:42:33 am
Very nice! :)

Have a good time Si. *grin*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: TopCookie on May 16, 2018, 12:40:54 pm
Great job Si...  Have a good one...   *cheers*
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Post by: stonec0ld on May 18, 2018, 07:59:11 am
Lovely clean tank, plants look healthy. Love corys. I've just gone down to 1 tank but when I eventually move I might be tempted by another Cory tank.
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Post by: Stephen on May 18, 2018, 10:33:47 pm
Your tank looks really good Simon   *applause*
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Post by: Si4geckos on June 04, 2018, 03:32:15 pm
G'day ladies and gents!

Just got back from a riveting 23.5hr flight from Adelaide. Obviously first thing I did was put the kettle on and start counting fish! Haha.

Main tank looks good. All tetra and adult gourami accounted for, I'm guessing all the cories are in there somewhere too, but they're all a bit skittish with me having been away so long. Not sure if the baby gourami has survived sadly, but it was always a gamble leaving things for 3 weeks. Still got one remaining fry in the fry tank and he looks ok too. (Sister has looked after things well it seems)

Shrimp tank has progressed well (more details in the shrimpy thread shortly) too.

Holiday was amazing. I went to Bali for 10 days and did some amazing snorkeling in the mangroves seeing huge angel fish (in big shoals too), garfish, yellow tailed mullet, eels, parrot fish, starfish, etc, etc. I'll get some videos up in the next couple of weeks. Also went to Bali zoo where there was a fish tank with arowana, stingrays, peacock bass, etc in the urinals! It was the most entertaining wee I've ever had!!

I did also do a fishing trip at sun rise where I was trawling off the back of a boat (Sorry if you're not a fishing fan). Managed to catch my first (and second) ever tuna. Amazing fun and awesome eating too! Such a special experience. I'll get some pix up soon and videos of everything as soon as I've sorted my sleep pattern out and got over some jetlag. Looking forward to seeing what I've missed on the forum and putting some ideas I've seen in nature into my tanks.
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Post by: Gingerlove05 on June 04, 2018, 04:03:08 pm
Glad you had a good holiday :)
I look forward to the pics and videos!
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Post by: _pjn312_ on June 04, 2018, 04:10:04 pm
Good to hear things are going well and you had a great holiday, as GL said looking forward to seeing it!!
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Post by: Stephen on June 04, 2018, 04:37:37 pm
Sounds like you have a super holiday Simon.
Welcome back to normality.  *grin*

I also look forward to some pics and video. ;)
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Post by: plankton on June 05, 2018, 04:48:13 pm
Sounds jolly interesting Si. *grin*
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Post by: Suelo on June 06, 2018, 03:02:11 pm
Sounds like you had a great holiday!
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Post by: Si4geckos on June 09, 2018, 10:11:46 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRARObiMesE

First video of a bit of snorkelling as the sun went down. Excellent variety of fish!
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Post by: TopCookie on June 10, 2018, 12:04:32 am
Wikkid clip Si...!!!   thumbsup
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Post by: Gingerlove05 on June 10, 2018, 12:21:59 am
That looks ace :)
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Post by: Stephen on June 10, 2018, 09:33:31 am
Excellent video, it must of been magic  *grin*
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Post by: plankton on June 10, 2018, 10:22:50 am
very nice. :)
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Post by: _pjn312_ on June 13, 2018, 09:25:36 pm
Awesome! I love all those fish and the plants! Very natural looking scape *grin*
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Post by: Si4geckos on June 13, 2018, 11:41:24 pm
Back to the tank for a minute....

Had a mini rescape this week. Essentially I’ve cut back the cabomba a lot and planted it in bunches to hopefully look more natural. Also I bought a new plant, Helanthium Quadricostatus in the hope of creating a carpet of plants similar to what I saw when snorkelling. If they get big enough, I may replace the amazon sword with them on the left of the tank.

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I planted about 18, but having 19 catfish makes keeping them in the substrate a tricky job! Most are already floating around the tank. The catfish do seem a bit giddy about the changes are some are showing ‘amorous tendancies’. Not seen any eggs in a while, but the signs look promising. 

And I did upgrade the lighting from one LED Ebay light to x2 triple interpet led strips. The light spectrum is much more to my taste so the tank is looking great.
Sadly the baby gourami disappeared while I was on holiday. Very sad, but there’s still a valiant survivor in the grow out tank.

That’s all for now :)


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on July 05, 2018, 12:16:30 am
It's breeding time!

5/6 days or so ago I managed to catch x7 sterbai and put them in a 2ft bare-ish breeding tank. Yesterday I managed to catch / recover x2 eggs. This morning I managed another 20+. Nice to see them all so giddy and active. Came back to the main tank and I pulled another 6 eggs out of that from the remaining ones. Guessing the younger ones may be becoming mature or maybe even my albinos could've been at it? Who knows. 30 ish eggs in a net for now. Managed to transfer another female into the breeder so hoping for a few more eggs over the next 48 hrs.

The cardinals have also been spawning the past 2 nights. Only managed to set up a spawning tank today and I've separated a few females from the pack into there. I'll fatten them up then add some males in the next few days.

The red crystal shrimp are still breeding well in their tank too. Babies are growing up nicely and putting on good size. At least 6 were berried last week too.

Managed to pick up another tank (not for me for once!) for my mums goldfish. They're currently stuck in a biorb bowl thing and as shes away I'm looking after them. Decided to surprise her with a new 2ft rectangle tank on her return as she hates trying to clean the awkward bowl! Managed to get a tank, gravel, lid, heater, light and filter for £7! Going to get another light so she can have an open top top if I can find a nice one. Still think I got a bargain!

That's all for now. Keep your eyes peeled for hopeful baby/ fry updates soon.  :)
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Post by: Suelo on July 05, 2018, 09:33:36 am
Good luck with eggs & breeding Si. Your mum's new tank sounds an absolute bargain!
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Post by: Si4geckos on July 05, 2018, 07:48:42 pm
Good luck with eggs & breeding Si. Your mum's new tank sounds an absolute bargain!


Thanks Sue, it’s cleaned up a treat. Just on the hunt for a decent (and cheapish) clip on LED to finish it off. And some slightly larger plants.

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I kinda like it for now. Just make sure it holds water overnight in the garage :)


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Post by: piker on July 05, 2018, 08:34:20 pm
Think the fish will be much happier with that, and a bargain too.
Good news on all the breeding success too.

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Post by: _pjn312_ on July 07, 2018, 08:09:17 am
Great news - bet you and your mum are happy about the breeding and new tank :)
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Post by: Si4geckos on July 08, 2018, 01:40:32 pm
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180708/08aea43e326b1be6bc3ae8938db021b4.jpg)

Sterbai eggs were hatching this morning.


And the cardinal tank bottom has a nice scattering of eggs. Many are fungussed, but hoping a few will make it in the next few days.

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Post by: _pjn312_ on July 09, 2018, 07:17:21 am
Great news :) could you get some shrimp in there to remove the fungused eggs ?
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Post by: Si4geckos on July 09, 2018, 10:34:18 pm
Great news :) could you get some shrimp in there to remove the fungused eggs ?

Interesting plan. Not thought about that. Would they clean the eggs? Or just eat the bad ones? I removed the worst ones with an eye dropper and just covered the tank for now to block the light out. I’ll check on them tomorrow eve when I return from work. More shrimp info appreciated.


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Post by: _pjn312_ on July 10, 2018, 07:57:52 am
What I've heard is that shrimp will eat dead/bad eggs as they're scavengers but won't eat live eggs, limiting the spread of infections. Apparently cherry shrimp work well.
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Post by: Si4geckos on July 11, 2018, 10:56:35 pm
What I've heard is that shrimp will eat dead/bad eggs as they're scavengers but won't eat live eggs, limiting the spread of infections. Apparently cherry shrimp work well.

I was about to transfer some red crystal shrimp over, but the eggs are at about 25-26C and the shrimp at just under 22C. Best hang fire on that plan.

Removed a couple more fungussed cardinal eggs, but the rest of the tank just looks a bit mulmy. Can't see any fry as yet, but they're pretty much invisble to the naked eye. Catfish eggs have hatched and there's about 15 fry in the grow out tank now. Will see if I get many surviving.
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Post by: Suelo on July 12, 2018, 05:27:44 am
Crossing fingers for you!
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Post by: Si4geckos on August 05, 2018, 10:59:08 pm
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180805/48e5c9d6c617d8f8d5038fbe06b2988c.jpg)

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What’s happening to my plants?!? :(


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on August 05, 2018, 10:59:23 pm
Quick tank update.

Since adding the new triple interpet LED lights (totaling x2 sets of triples) the plants have had mixed results.

Firstly there's been a black beard algae issue starting to arise. I've started adding some seachem flourish excel and have cut the lighting time from about 7 hours to around 5 hours.

Cambomba: Growing has slowed, but the plants have become more bushy. I'm assuming they don't have to climb as high to get decent light.

I can't remember what plants they are pictured in the photos above (dwarf java fern maybe), but essentially, leaves are turning brown/ black and rotting very fast! Didn't expect his at all. Are the lights burning the leaves? Anything I can do? This is my main concern at the moment.

The amazon swords seem ok.

The carpetting plants are starting to spread a little after a very slow start.

Advice on the dying plants much appreciated. I thought extra light plus flourish excel would give them a right boost, but I've pretty much lost them all in a month.


In other news, the baby catfish are progressing excellently in the grow out tank. About 19 I think are swimming around happily together.

I need some more tetra in the main tank so I put some more cardinals in the spawning tank and 48 hrs later I have some more eggs. I got nothing hatching from the last batch, just some detritus worms mooching about. Fingers crossed these will do better. I'm going to try adding a shrimp or two tomorrow to the egg tank to see if they keep things cleaner for me and eat any bad eggs. Also going to soak the filter spongers in some dirty filter water for an extra 'first meal' boost for any fry that may hatch.

That's about all for now. Thoughts on the lights/ plants issues appreciated.
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Post by: plankton on August 06, 2018, 10:06:07 am
My Java ferns do that after they've released the maximum "babies" they can on the leaf.
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Post by: piker on August 06, 2018, 08:32:06 pm
Is it just the older leaves or new growth thats suffering, could be the plant adjusting to a new light level. Ferns are a lower light plant and do best in my tank when in shady areas.
Good luck raising the fry,the sterbai i got are still healthy and growing well.
Just cant get them to breed though.

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Post by: Si4geckos on August 06, 2018, 10:20:56 pm
Is it just the older leaves or new growth thats suffering, could be the plant adjusting to a new light level. Ferns are a lower light plant and do best in my tank when in shady areas.
Good luck raising the fry,the sterbai i got are still healthy and growing well.
Just cant get them to breed though.

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Thanks for the shady tips. Might have a little move around tomorrow and give them a little more cover. The lower leaves do seem to be doing better.

Glad your sterbai are doing well mate. My youngest (similar age to yours) have started chasing the adults round trying to breed but only in the last couple of months.

All current sterbai are looking good.

I took a peek at the cardinal eggs this morning and saw about 50 white fungussed ones. I was annoyed at first then saw a couple of fry swimming. I decided to syphon out all the bad furry eggs with an airline and noticed more and more fry. Then spent an hour fishing for invisible fish with a pipette to return them to the breeder tank. Reckon there’s nearly 100 cardinal fry in there for now! Exciting times. Gonna put some filter sponge in tomorrow and plants and hope that’ll provide infusoria for the tiny ones. Keeping the fingers crossed :)


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: piker on August 06, 2018, 10:41:57 pm
Good news on the cardinal fry, hope you have a high survival rate.

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Post by: plankton on August 07, 2018, 08:38:21 am
That's great with the cardinals! *grin*
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Post by: Suelo on August 07, 2018, 08:48:52 am
Good luck with the cardinals  thumbsup
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Post by: Si4geckos on August 07, 2018, 10:58:15 pm
Thanks everyone.

Today I checked the cardinal fry again and there looked to be a lot fewer wriggling and about 7/8 lumps of fuzz. Either more rotten eggs or dead fry. I syphoned the gunk and fungus out and decided to add a couple of shrimp to help keep the mush at bay. I acclimatised a couple of young crystal red shrimp and introduced them and for now at least they're happily swimming around. I'll see how they cope with the much warmer temperatures.

I also added a squeeze of bacteria/ gunk from the main tank filter sponge to hopefully add some microorganisms and re-seed the filter. Not sure if I've over-polluted the tank or done the right thing. Time will tell. Hopefully the little tetras will get their first feed from some old filter floss and the squeezings. Also added a bit of indian almond leaf for some tannins and for the shrimp.

Just taken a video in the dark with just a blue night light on. For now at least, there's still a fair few survivors!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3MtkMm_NF8

Enjoy.
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Post by: Suelo on August 07, 2018, 11:32:08 pm
Great Video. I hope you get a fair amount of survivors - you are certainly putting in plenty of effort!
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Post by: plankton on August 08, 2018, 08:33:55 am
Very nice! *grin*
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Post by: Stephen on August 08, 2018, 04:50:02 pm
Great video Si  thumbsup2

All the best
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Post by: Si4geckos on August 10, 2018, 09:50:55 am
Thanks everyone.

Suelo I thought if I put the effort in for the first few days, I should just be able to raise them up fairly easily after that (that's my theory). Once they're eating microworms and have grown to around 10mm they'll be moved to the 60L grow out tank with the sterbai catfish. Then it's just throw in microworms and hopefully watch them all grow.

When I got home from work at 2am this morning, I put the light on for a peek at the fry tank and to my surprise it was full! The whole tank was teeming with fry at all levels. Rough estimates were 60ish? Really happy with how things are going this time and great to see pretty much all of them free swimming like proper fish now.

Here's a little clip from yesterday morning when most were still hiding, but the light is a bit better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZT35egicuE
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Post by: plankton on August 10, 2018, 11:59:03 am
Brilliant! *grin*
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Post by: Gingerlove05 on August 10, 2018, 12:44:09 pm
Nice :) hope they do well for you!
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Post by: Suelo on August 10, 2018, 12:59:51 pm
They look really active!
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Post by: Si4geckos on August 12, 2018, 12:10:40 am
One week in. How many can you spot?

https://youtu.be/t0V8L3P6Ngk


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Post by: plankton on August 12, 2018, 08:51:23 am
More than 10........ *grin*
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Post by: Stephen on August 12, 2018, 12:15:31 pm
One week in. How many can you spot?

https://youtu.be/t0V8L3P6Ngk
I counted at least 30  *grin*
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Post by: Si4geckos on August 18, 2018, 10:11:41 am
Last night I introduced my least favourite shrimp to the main tank as a ‘tester’ to see how the fish react. His colours are very drab so want him out the gene pool.

He got a bit of attention at first and panicked a lot with the new environment, higher flow, massive (comparatively) tank mates, but this morning he’s alive and well. Good times. Nobody seems interested in him now either.

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Looks great against the black background as he is pretty white, but I think the better coloured red ones will really pop against the plants too when they get a bit larger. The 2 shrimp in the fry tank seem to be doing excellently too :)

Another dimension to the community is slowly getting there.


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Post by: Si4geckos on August 18, 2018, 10:20:05 am
Forgot to mention I finally managed to install the tank I got for my mother to replace her biorb bowl thing. She’s had the goldfish over 6 years and within 5 mins of putting it in the new tank she decided he needed a name. Mainly because it’s the first time she could see it. The biorbs kinda suck for seeing fish.

Before and after.

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Good deed done :)


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Stephen on August 18, 2018, 10:33:04 am
Forgot to mention I finally managed to install the tank I got for my mother to replace her biorb bowl thing. She’s had the goldfish over 6 years and within 5 mins of putting it in the new tank she decided he needed a name. Mainly because it’s the first time she could see it. The biorbs kinda suck for seeing fish.

Good deed done :)
What an improvement, the fish will be far happier.
Well done Si  *applause*
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Post by: Gingerlove05 on August 18, 2018, 11:58:01 am
 *agree*
Very nice Si, good job! :)
Glad the shrimp is ok in the main tank as well!
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Post by: plankton on August 19, 2018, 08:59:24 am
Nice one Si with the goldie.
The shrimp is obviously not the fishes' favourite either..... ;) *grin*
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Post by: Si4geckos on August 19, 2018, 01:09:57 pm
Just done water changes on all 4 tanks. How/ when did I end up with 4???  *oops*

I don't really like having more than one! But anyways....

The main is doing great, saw mr shrimp this morning, but I'll see if he reappears after the water change. Plants are doing ok and the plants that were 'melting' under direct light seem to be doing ok now a bit more shaded.

The shrimps are doing fine. Not quite as many as there was. Guess the survival rate is far from 100%, but still 60-70 in there I reckon.

The cat fish tank couldn't really be going better. I put about 20 eggs in there and now have about 20 (21 or 22?) healthy looking pretty babies.

The only problem tank is the cardinal tetra tank. Water changed them yesterday and just noticed a lot less movement in general. Water changed again today and syphoned the bottom and it's mainly just bodies. :( Lots of perfectly healthy looking tetra fry, but just no movement. I've put most back in if they still look fresh, as one of the survival methods is to play dead, but I reckon I removed 10 rotting ones today and I'll be doing 30ish tomorrow. There's still more than 10 I recon that look ok for now, but just very annoying about the masses as there doesn't look anything wrong with them.

Did water tests lat night and just now.

Ammonia 0
Nitrite 0
Nitrate about 5

Essentially perfect conditions. Feeding liquifry and a few microworms (although my culture has pretty much crashed!) and even a bit of powder food 'dust' as some are reasonable sized and I can see mouths moving now. Not sure what else I can do other than keep the water clean. Any thoughts or input appreciated. Think the temp is about 26C.

That's all for now.

Si
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Post by: Gingerlove05 on August 19, 2018, 01:38:02 pm
I know that feeling Si, we only recently shut down no. 4.
Glad to hear the shrimp and catfish are doing well, sorry to hear about the cardinals, hope the rest survive. The only thing i could think of is keeping the clean for them, the liquifry can be a bit messy.
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Post by: Si4geckos on August 28, 2018, 10:25:14 am
Just a quick video of the tank last night.

Moved a few plants around to create more lateral space at the front and fill the background in more, as well as moving all the smaller carpeting plants to the front of the tank. Cardinals immediately started shoaling and everyone came out for an explore, so pretty happy so far. I also removed the canopy for cleaning and really liked the bare top look. Anyone got thoughts on this?

Enjoy the vid!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya0wv28gTcc
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Stephen on August 28, 2018, 11:08:37 am
Just a quick video of the tank last night.

Moved a few plants around to create more lateral space at the front and fill the background in more, as well as moving all the smaller carpeting plants to the front of the tank. Cardinals immediately started shoaling and everyone came out for an explore, so pretty happy so far. I also removed the canopy for cleaning and really liked the bare top look. Anyone got thoughts on this?

Enjoy the vid!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya0wv28gTcc
Looks really good  thumbsup2
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Post by: plankton on August 28, 2018, 11:51:35 am
Very nice tank. :)
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Post by: Suelo on August 28, 2018, 04:42:45 pm
Very nice!
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Post by: Si4geckos on August 30, 2018, 12:19:29 pm
So yesterday I may have ‘accidentally’ bought a new fish! Been considering a plea for a while, but not seen any this bright in person. He’s super bright yellow/ orange. Pic didn’t come out the best. Gold ansistrus apparently. I like him/ her :)

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The shop did also have a pair of adult wild caught L46 zebra plecs which I was tempted by (and still am!) but they were £180 per fish!!


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on August 30, 2018, 05:16:01 pm
Wild caught? I thought they couldn't export them any more??
Nice BN. :)
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Post by: piker on August 30, 2018, 09:11:30 pm
Looking good, have you tried any shrimp in yet?

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Post by: Si4geckos on August 30, 2018, 09:14:18 pm
Wild caught? I thought they couldn't export them any more??
Nice BN. :)

They were adults imported pre-ban as part of a big breeding group apparently. They’re around 4 years old.


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on August 30, 2018, 09:17:41 pm
Looking good, have you tried any shrimp in yet?

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Tried my least favourite one. He definitely lasted 2-3 days, but hasn’t been seen since. Not sure he enjoyed water change day? Or maybe he was just a snack. I’m hoping I can get some decent cover from the carpeting plants before I add anymore. He was getting paler by the day so not sure if he was on his way out. A few weeks and I should have a few ready to ‘try’ again. If I haven’t started up a 6ft+ tank by then. How’s things your end?


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: piker on August 30, 2018, 09:39:31 pm
Things are going well here shrimp are breeding again now the temps have dropped.They tend to stop if it gets too warm.
Community tanks going well, wish i had got more chocolate gourami they are a nice fish.
Will you be replacing the tank with the 6ft?

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on August 30, 2018, 09:53:45 pm
Things are going well here shrimp are breeding again now the temps have dropped.They tend to stop if it gets too warm.
Community tanks going well, wish i had got more chocolate gourami they are a nice fish.
Will you be replacing the tank with the 6ft?

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Yea I’ll be losing the 4ft one and getting either a 6ft or up to 6ft 6”. 20ins wide and 20-24in high. Not finalised it yet, still doing maths on pricing and water volumes. Also dunno whether to fx6 or sump it. Lots to consider.

Glad to hear things are good with you and the heatwave is over. How many shrimp do you think you have these days? I’ve had 2 in my Tetra fry tank for 3 weeks now with no ill effects so looks like they’re ok with the warmer temps.

Not sure I’ve ever seen a choc gourami in person. Nice interesting different one :)


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: piker on August 30, 2018, 10:40:32 pm
Theres around 50 in the shrimp tank, been moving any that i dont like the look of or are lower grades.Being really picky and moving any that are below s+ grade. Seems to be paying off im happy with the quality now and a couple of ss grades have  come out.
Sold a few batches and have around 30 really low grades in my community tank that i wouldnt sell.
Not bad considering i started with 6.
The chocolate gourami dont appeal to everyone but i like them and they fit well in the warm community tank.
Im also planning a 6ft for my living room when i next decorate it, will go with an fx6 and a custom stand with tanks undeneath to try some different shrimp.Hopefully early next year if life and health stay good.
Look forward to seeing yours set up.
How many shrimp do you think you have now?


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on August 31, 2018, 12:16:28 am
Theres around 50 in the shrimp tank, been moving any that i dont like the look of or are lower grades.Being really picky and moving any that are below s+ grade. Seems to be paying off im happy with the quality now and a couple of ss grades have  come out.
Sold a few batches and have around 30 really low grades in my community tank that i wouldnt sell.
Not bad considering i started with 6.
The chocolate gourami dont appeal to everyone but i like them and they fit well in the warm community tank.
Im also planning a 6ft for my living room when i next decorate it, will go with an fx6 and a custom stand with tanks undeneath to try some different shrimp.Hopefully early next year if life and health stay good.
Look forward to seeing yours set up.
How many shrimp do you think you have now?

Hard to say how many shrimp. I'd say 80ish I can see, but I did notice some newly hatched ones today. The tank has been pretty hectic and they've all been buzzing round for a few days. Think a lot of the original babies have just matured so it's a bit frenzied! Guess I should start separating them out soon or the line will never improve. While I do love the shrimp, the idea is/ was always to have them in the community tank. If it doesn't work out, I'm not sure if I'll pursue them or not. I'm up to 4 tanks again, which is fine while work is quiet, but when things get hectic again leading up to xmas, I know it'll start grating on me a bit.

Regarding the big tank, the main draw towards a sump is to have a refugium in the sump with a viewing panel for growing on fry. It'd be nice to only maintain one system and still have somewhere to view and raise fry, but also so the bacteria and bioload is the same when transferring between the sump and main tank. Other option is to have an fx6 in one half of the stand and a stand alone 2-3ft tank in the other.

I have a 2ft tank I'm using as a fry raising tank at the mo, which I was going to turn into the shrimp tank as the curved corners on my 'fishbox' make viewing and photos a little tricky. Not sure if I want to use it for some L046's now though....

Sorry, just stopped writing for 20mins as I was following an albino sterbai. Just pulled my first 100% albino sterbai egg out the main tank! I noticed a female (didn't know I had any) albino carrying eggs an hour ago, but no idea on the father, but just seen 2 albinos mating and caught one of 2 eggs produced. That's pretty exciting! Would love to see how they develop. There may be more albinos in the egg-tank, but no idea on the fathers, so maybe the rest will look normal. Sterbai's have been spawning for 48hrs solid. After the first 24hrs I started retrieving eggs (a lot got eaten) but still have around 50 now safe in the fry tank. I'm aiming for a huge shoal in the 6ft tank! Not sure I'll keep them all long term, but an innitial massive shoal will be amazing to see!

How's your sterbai's getting on? I know some of mine spawning yesterday were younger than the ones you had off me, so although they still look small, they seem 'capable' or enhthusiastic at the very least. Let me know if you want any more by the way as I'm sure I'll end up with more than a few spares (currently have about 21 grown on, plus all these new eggs!).

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on September 02, 2018, 12:35:40 am
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Next batch of sterbai Cory have started sprouting little tails and have started wriggling a bit. I’m expecting a ‘busy floor’ in the next couple of days! ;)


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on September 02, 2018, 08:37:21 am
*grin*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: piker on September 03, 2018, 12:17:11 am
Good luck with them

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on September 11, 2018, 12:30:32 am
Here we are 9 days later and exciting times are afoot!

Hopefully be moving house soon (in with the missis) and she's a big encourager of anything cool (like massive fish tanks!). Hoping to get final measurements confirmed in the next couple of days, but the main tank should be arounf 6.5 long, 20in wide and 2ft high. Not quite placed the order as I was to double check all measurements.

Got a good price on an FX6 brand new. That just arrived! So big and shiny!! :D

Also, managed to get another FX6 (used) for £50! Not sure on condition yet, but worth an Ebay gamble for that price. May sell, may keep, I'll see what happens.

Also managed to pick up a pretty much brand new 3ft long tank to fit in a 1 meter alcove for just £25. This will be the new shrimp home eventually.

All the catfish eggs hatched and I have 4/5 white albino sterbai fry which I'm super pleased with and around 40 normal fry. The larger ones from the previous spawn are doing well, apart from 2 random casualties sadly. No obvious reasons, just sad times. 19 still going strong and most are big enough for the main tank. Just waiting a few days as the new plec is in there as quarantine.

The microworm culture has finally restarted and now my cardinal fry are starting to gain size. Think I've got around 10 survivors, which again I'm super happy about. 

Had a few days of panic with the shrimp as they went a bit frenzied and it turns out I had a minor ammonia spike. Think I've over fed as I'm still struggling to gauge food due to increased numbers. Many water changes later and thankfully zero casualties that I've seen.

Main tank is doing excellently.

As you can see, lots going on, all change and exciting times lay ahead!  :)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Suelo on September 11, 2018, 06:24:21 am
Very exciting! Great to hear that the fish are doing well, & hoping the move goes well!
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on September 11, 2018, 08:16:57 am
Good luck with the move and the new tank. :)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on September 11, 2018, 08:19:30 am
Very exciting! Great to hear that the fish are doing well, & hoping the move goes well!

Thanks Sue. It'll be a slow move as e both need to sell/ get rid of a lot of stuff first, but at least things are moving. The plan is to set up both new tanks, get them cycled and then move all the fish, rather than moving the fish and old tank together, then trying to swap tanks and stuff around. That's the theory anyway. I'll keep progress updated, but mentally deadlined myself to be moved by xmas with 2 massive pimpin tanks! :D
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gingerlove05 on September 11, 2018, 08:26:09 am
Sounds like fun  *grin*
Glad things are going well Si, sorry you lost a couple of the fry i hope the rest do well for you :)
Good luck with the move!
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: piker on September 11, 2018, 08:33:37 pm
Exciting times, look forward to seeing the tanks.
Give an active substrate a go when you set the shrimp tank up, made a big difference in my tank.
Where you getting the big tank from?


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on September 11, 2018, 09:04:37 pm
Exciting times, look forward to seeing the tanks.
Give an active substrate a go when you set the shrimp tank up, made a big difference in my tank.
Where you getting the big tank from?


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Chap on eBay. Lots of feedback compared to others, decent price including delivery.

I was just going to get black gravel for the shrimp tank. The active stuff seems mega expensive! And I’m not short of shrimp at the mo. Plus the budget it getting thrown at the main tank at the mo.


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: piker on September 11, 2018, 09:26:08 pm
Exciting times, look forward to seeing the tanks.
Give an active substrate a go when you set the shrimp tank up, made a big difference in my tank.
Where you getting the big tank from?


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Chap on eBay. Lots of feedback compared to others, decent price including delivery.

I was just going to get black gravel for the shrimp tank. The active stuff seems mega expensive! And I’m not short of shrimp at the mo. Plus the budget it getting thrown at the main tank at the mo.


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It is expensive stuff and you would need a lot for a 3ft tank as it needs to be deep to work properly.If the shrimp are breeding regular then all is well.
How many shrimp do you think you have now?
Do you have a link or sellers name for the ebay tank builder?

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on September 11, 2018, 10:55:02 pm
I reckon 80+ good sized ones now. Quite a few berried and a few new tiny ones crawling around. Trying to put a bunch of lower quality ones in my grow out tank to see how they go with the little sterbai and hopefully improve the bloodline in the main tank, but I really struggle to see much difference in most of them.

Ebay guy is aquaticandpet

Seems to be the same price as most places, but includes delivery near us. Email for a quote, cheapest I've found. Based in Buxton, been doing it 30 years apparently. Only issue is you only get 1 guy to drop your tank off...
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: piker on September 12, 2018, 06:47:53 pm
Just seen the youtube video of the shrimp tank, doing very well by the looks of it and some nice patterns coming out.
Fry tank looking good too, nice work.

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Stephen on September 13, 2018, 08:58:21 am
Good luck with the move and everything  *grin*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gweeds on September 14, 2018, 10:17:48 am
I reckon 80+ good sized ones now. Quite a few berried and a few new tiny ones crawling around. Trying to put a bunch of lower quality ones in my grow out tank to see how they go with the little sterbai and hopefully improve the bloodline in the main tank, but I really struggle to see much difference in most of them.

Ebay guy is aquaticandpet

Seems to be the same price as most places, but includes delivery near us. Email for a quote, cheapest I've found. Based in Buxton, been doing it 30 years apparently. Only issue is you only get 1 guy to drop your tank off...
Just reading through... these guys made my tank! Excellent build quality if a little rough around some of the edges. Mine was done in 2013 and it's been through 2 house moves with no issues at all.

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on September 14, 2018, 11:56:19 am
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Well the deed is done!

2 meter long fish tank on its way to me! :D (or technically my girlfriends house).

Gonna be an exciting 2-3 weeks, of panicked stand building (a lot of maths!) and trying to cycle the FX6 as well as getting all the other stuff prepped and ready. I had an extensive plan for moving fish from one four foot tank to a slightly bigger one last time. That was in the same house too. This is gonna take a bit more thought I feel.

Excited! Might be time to start a new thread.

Also picked up a beauty of a piece of wood (used, but massive) for a mere £20 yesterday.

Plans have begun!

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And for scale on my current 4ft tank...

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Watch this space.


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: piker on September 14, 2018, 01:19:20 pm
Nice piece of wood and bargain too, are you starting cycle from scratch or putting some mature media in?

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on September 14, 2018, 01:27:27 pm
Nice piece of wood and bargain too, are you starting cycle from scratch or putting some mature media in?

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I’m going to order some ammonia, then I’ll set the new 3ft shrimp tank up with the fx6 running on it while waiting for the tank to arrive. No shrimp in obviously. May have to guess the hose length for fx6 before cutting, but I’ll see how I get on.

Then when I clean out one of my 306’s I’ll dump all the gunk into the new tank to seed the filter a bit and probably add a little media out my 306.

The idea when the new tank arrives is to be able to transfer all the bio media from both 306’s into the fx6, but also have some cycled media in there already as I want to add all my current fish AND all the baby grown on catfish (19) plus however many cardinal fry have grown up, plus the new plec all at once!

Instant massive shoal of sterbai, bigger shoal of cardinals all at once! May even throw some shrimp in there at the same time! Instant joy :)

That’s the plan anyway...


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on September 15, 2018, 11:55:04 am
Loverly jubberly. *grin*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on September 18, 2018, 08:55:32 am
After realising ‘testy’ the test shrimp into the big tank to see how he got on a few weeks ago he hasn’t been seen since. He lasted about 2 days before completely vanishing. I took virtually everything out while cleaning a few times, but nothing.

Then on Sunday, during a water change, there he was!

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He looks a live and well as ever :) Obviously found the good hiding spots and it means I can be pretty confident shrimp will be ok with my fish.

Good times :)


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: piker on September 18, 2018, 01:58:51 pm
Good news, something like these tubes can help. Easily hidden by attaching moss if you dont like the look.
Gives babies somewhere to hide too. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180918/3b483f22d55f44da817e8454477d8620.jpg)

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on September 19, 2018, 07:29:20 am
Good to hear about "testy" :)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on September 23, 2018, 12:41:53 am
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New stand  for the shrimp tank finished today. And a good practise before I start building the big tank stand.

Pretty happy with how it turned out. Although it’s been designed to fit in an alcove at the end of the sofa so won’t actually be visible. Oh well...

Hopefully gonna get the tank on it tomorrow, get some water in it and get the fx 6 up and running. I’m also hoping to get some plants in the tank to bed in before any shrimp or fish get in there to disturb things. That’s assuming it’s not like a jacuzzi with the fx 6 on!

More updates to follow when I can.

I also went to a couple of fish shops today and saw a tank almost the dimensions of the one I ordered. Getting excited now.

I saw some corydoras I’ve not seen before (terrible picture coming)...

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Pantanalensis cory. Never seen or heard of them. Beautiful and massive too! I was very tempted, but £40 per fish is gonna take some thinking about. Plus not sure on what temps they’ll be happy with. More research to do.


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: piker on September 23, 2018, 11:16:23 am
Looks nice and strong

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on September 23, 2018, 07:55:52 pm
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Semi filled the tank. Not sure the fx 6 will have enough space in my current big tank stand plan. That’s all for today.

Also need to swap my 4/5ft led for a 3ft one. Anyone wanna swap? :)


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on September 23, 2018, 07:59:21 pm
Nice stand. :)
Only female pantanalensis then.... ;) They are one that the males have completely different markings to the females.....I think anyway.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on September 23, 2018, 09:57:34 pm
Looks smart that, very jealous, will be able to grow a massive shrimp colony in there.

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Yea I’m quite excited. Will be good to see them with a lot more space. Wondering if I go heavily planted or try and keep a lot of the black gravel showing. Also trying to decide on a decent light. Really like the internet ones, but may be a bit overkill power wise in a shallower tank. Think I’ll keep a 306 so it’ll be super filtered too.

Hoping if I go heavily planted I can raise some cardinal fry in there along with the shrimp as long as I can find a decent temperature balance. Pretty happy with the black gravel and dark background so far.

Want to get some shrimps in there ASAP! :)


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: piker on September 23, 2018, 09:41:14 pm
Looks smart that, very jealous, will be able to grow a massive shrimp colony in there.

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Suelo on September 23, 2018, 09:53:32 pm
It looks great!
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on September 23, 2018, 09:54:06 pm
Nice stand. :)
Only female pantanalensis then.... ;) They are one that the males have completely different markings to the females.....I think anyway.

From research after leaving the shop, I’d say so. Think they had 3/4, but never seen them before. Yes the males get an amazing pattern on and would be super cool if I could find some. Although I’m not sure if the pattern comes and goes with spawning behaviour/ mood. Very hard to get to spawn from what I’ve read. But I’ve heard that about a lot of things...


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Stephen on September 23, 2018, 10:20:09 pm
That's a lovely piece of wood and a great price too.
I love your DIY stand, looks the biz and looks strong too.

Well done <applause>
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: piker on September 23, 2018, 10:23:43 pm
I would get some plants and decor in if you can, get the biofilm building up before the shrimp go in. Dash of bacter ae will help too.
Looks smart that, very jealous, will be able to grow a massive shrimp colony in there.

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Yea I’m quite excited. Will be good to see them with a lot more space. Wondering if I go heavily planted or try and keep a lot of the black gravel showing. Also trying to decide on a decent light. Really like the internet ones, but may be a bit overkill power wise in a shallower tank. Think I’ll keep a 306 so it’ll be super filtered too.

Hoping if I go heavily planted I can raise some cardinal fry in there along with the shrimp as long as I can find a decent temperature balance. Pretty happy with the black gravel and dark background so far.

Want to get some shrimps in there ASAP! :)


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on September 23, 2018, 10:28:59 pm
I would get some plants and decor in if you can, get the biofilm building up before the shrimp go in. Dash of bacter ae will help too.
Looks smart that, very jealous, will be able to grow a massive shrimp colony in there.

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Yea I’m quite excited. Will be good to see them with a lot more space. Wondering if I go heavily planted or try and keep a lot of the black gravel showing. Also trying to decide on a decent light. Really like the internet ones, but may be a bit overkill power wise in a shallower tank. Think I’ll keep a 306 so it’ll be super filtered too.

Hoping if I go heavily planted I can raise some cardinal fry in there along with the shrimp as long as I can find a decent temperature balance. Pretty happy with the black gravel and dark background so far.

Want to get some shrimps in there ASAP! :)


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‘Something’ is about 5mm off level left to right. Either the floor or my stand (likely) so I’m going to try and find some shims tomorrow to level it then I’ll fill it up. I’ve got loads and loads of plants off a chap who shut his whole 6ft tank down so all may tanks are rammed full at the moment. Just need to sort a 3ft light out ASAP and I can transfer them across while the tank cycles. If the fx6 doesn’t rip the whole tank apart that is.


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: piker on September 23, 2018, 11:07:35 pm
Get the spirit level out and check the floor where the big tanks going, you may be able to build the stand to avoid using shims.

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on September 23, 2018, 11:29:08 pm
Get the spirit level out and check the floor where the big tanks going, you may be able to build the stand to avoid using shims.

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I put the shrimp tank there first and it sat perfectly level (according to the spirit level). I'm wondering if the floor is slightly out where the shrimp tank is now. Is it better to do that? If I / it moves in the future, I'd have to build another stand. Surely it's better building a flat stand and adjusting depending on the situation?
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on September 23, 2018, 11:44:27 pm
Also I forgot to mention, just to be on the safe side, I pulled up some of the flooring, found another layer of wood, cut a hole in that and joyously found a solid layer of concrete! Should be structurally safe (house wise at least) for the big tank. Just gotta make a decent stand.  *cheers*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on September 24, 2018, 11:04:13 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvdBh8H1cvM

Quick look at the fry tank.

Some cardinal really colouring up. 50ish sterbai in there including at least 5 albinos still.

Happy days :)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on September 24, 2018, 05:05:42 pm
Nice full stomachs! *grin*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on September 24, 2018, 11:52:34 pm
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The BIG tank stand build beginneth...


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on September 25, 2018, 08:10:47 am
Loads'a'wood! *grin*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gweeds on September 25, 2018, 09:13:06 am
I was going to make a joke about you having big wood... but that would just be crude.

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Title: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on September 25, 2018, 11:32:33 pm
I was going to make a joke about you having big wood... but that would just be crude.

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I don’t want this thread’s tone lowered with childish innuendo.

So I’ve been playing with my chopper all afternoon...

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So the top and legs are done. The base still needs cross-bracing, but I need to have a play with a couple of options to get the best filter fit without too much stress on the pipework due to tight clearances. Pretty happy with my handy work. I climbed on it and it felt like standing on the floor. Just needs to hold another 7 or so of me and some rocks and sand.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on September 26, 2018, 07:59:17 am
Remember you'll need to get to the plugs.... ;)
The FX6 looks a bit lost in there....... *grin*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on September 26, 2018, 09:59:33 am
Remember you'll need to get to the plugs.... ;)
The FX6 looks a bit lost in there....... *grin*

If I push the stand up to one end, I can just get to the plug switches. It has had a bit of thought. Just a bit...   :book:

It is starting to look a bit huuuuuge!  *blink*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gweeds on September 26, 2018, 11:43:08 am
I've owned a few big tanks... my advice would be to think about everything in terms of 'what do I do if it breaks'... the absolute last thing you want to do is have to move that tank once you've filled it! You need to make absolutely everything accessible in order to be able to replace it if need be.

For example, I ran the electric mains cable out of the wall and put a 4 gang waterproof switch mounted inside the cabinet... that way if the sockets / switches ever go faulty I can replace it without moving the tank. Also think about access to the back panel of the tank and being able to run cables etc behind the tank. My suggestion would be to add 10mm to the size of a standard plug and make sure the tank and stand is that far clear of the wall behind.

Great looking stand so far... very sturdy!

What's the dimensions of the tank?

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: wingnut55 on September 26, 2018, 11:49:30 am
10mm wouldn't be enough, you still have to be able to get the plugs in and out of the sockets, just a thought.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on September 26, 2018, 12:12:39 pm
That’s some decent thinking. Appreciate the tips.

The tank is going to be 2meters long x 51cm wide by 56cm high.

Or 6’7” x 20 x 22.

Length is more important than height to me as I want nice shoaling action from the fish (Ive yet to teach them about this). Also that’s the widest that’ll fit in the gap without coming too far out into the room and height wise, if my calculations are correct I should ‘comfortably’ be able to reach the bottom of the tank and still fit the filter underneath.

All made to measure to fit the space and my height really. Don’t like the idea of climbing on ladders every time a Cory digs up another plant!


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on September 26, 2018, 06:01:31 pm
Tank stand done and weight tested for one fat catfish!

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And I had to make sure I could fit in. Just in case I ever fancied a swim :)

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The uprights are vertical I promise. It’s just a weird angled photo...

They said they can deliver my tank Friday, but I’m away working all weekend :(

Hopefully be here next week.

The shrimporium is now set up and cycling some media.

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Swapped my 4ft led for  3ft so all is going well :)


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gweeds on September 26, 2018, 07:16:03 pm
10mm wouldn't be enough, you still have to be able to get the plugs in and out of the sockets, just a thought.
Absolutely, if you're plugging them into the wall, I was talking about just allowing enough space to feed plugs down the back. Best bet is to add a socket gang to the actual cabinet, which avoids any problems with pulling plugs in or out of the wall.

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: piker on September 26, 2018, 09:26:42 pm
Nice work, the shrimp are going to be happy in there.
Did you manage to set the fx up on it or you cycling media in another filter.

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on September 26, 2018, 11:13:21 pm
Nice work, the shrimp are going to be happy in there.
Did you manage to set the fx up on it or you cycling media in another filter.

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When pouring water into the shrimp tank to fill it with a bucket it dug the substrate up and all the root tabs I put in, so I thought the fx 6 would do the same. Just rip all the plants out.

Instead I got a large internal filter and added some new media to that. Added the ammonia and left it all running. I need to seed it with some established media too, but thought that would do for now as I had to leave for work. With the big tank arriving so soon I thought I may as well wait for the fx 6 to go on that and go from there. 

I’m also gonna try and cram a bit more new media in my established 306’s when I get back next week and maximise their seeding capabilities. Bought a shed load of alfagrog for both filter media and decor too.

It’s all rather nicely coming together.

My main concern is I don’t have enough fish for such a big tank! Ha ha


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on September 27, 2018, 07:17:06 am
All looking good Si.
I haven't seen anyone literally lying down on the job......!!! *grin*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on October 03, 2018, 11:55:12 pm
Few ups and downs this week.

Good points.

Been away for a week working and all fish are alive and well thanks to family helping feed em.

The golden ancistruc plec is looking great, managed 5 weeks in quarantine and has been rewarded by being moved to the main tank.

Also moved x4 baby sterbai into the main tank, sold 12 and the remaining 3 smaller ones will be joined by the other 50ish from the fry tank tomorrow.

Bad points

I'm knackered from working so much haha.

My new tank arrived. Yes the 2 meter monster! But why is that a bad thing? One of the seals has a large air bubble in it. It was sooooo heavy to get in (just me and the delivery driver!) and I nearly passed out it was such a long struggle. Got it into the lounge, set it down on the floor. Checked it all over and spotted a bad seal. Told the driver who tried to ring the office. No answer. We both agreed we couldn't get it back in the van. I've spent 48hrs trying to complain and they're now coming to collect it tomorrow to check it over and hopefully sort/ replace.

Gutted. Another 3/4 weeks of waiting. Also delaying the house move. Sigh....

On a positive note, it does give me more time to finish the tank stand. Trying my best to be positive. I boarded the top and back for added strength. Just looking for the right board to do the sides and front.

Still trying to cycle media in the new 'shrimporium' tank.

And also deciding whether or not to invest in a group of zebra plecs.... Not cheap, but very pretty!

Been a mixed week or two. Just want the big tank in, up and running!

 
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gweeds on October 04, 2018, 05:53:23 am
Oh no! Gutted... heck of an effort to move it between the two of you. Took us 6 to move mine last time!!

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on October 04, 2018, 08:10:56 am
Hope the tank isn't too much of a problem to sort.
Glad to hear about the BN and the sterbai. :)
If your water is nice and soft and acidic, the zebra plec breeding is a good idea. Get some emperor tetras as dithers for them.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on October 04, 2018, 10:54:03 am
Hope the tank isn't too much of a problem to sort.
Glad to hear about the BN and the sterbai. :)
If your water is nice and soft and acidic, the zebra plec breeding is a good idea. Get some emperor tetras as dithers for them.

I was considering turning the 'shrimporium' into the zebra tank and either keeping the current shrimp tank, or adding them all to the main tank.

Also thought I could grow on cardinal tetra fry and use them as dither fish in a zebra tank as I believe they both like it warm. Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: piker on October 04, 2018, 02:39:58 pm
I find a very low survival rate of baby shrimp in my big tank. There are always berried females but very few babies survive. Think its a mixture of hungry tetras and the higher temp.
Just something to consider it doesnt matter to me because they are all culls in there.But the population may suffer long term if you intend to keep going with them.


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: piker on October 04, 2018, 02:41:41 pm
Im sure you could build a shrimp tank in under the big tank, thats my plans when i upgrade.

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on October 04, 2018, 02:57:18 pm
I find a very low survival rate of baby shrimp in my big tank. There are always berried females but very few babies survive. Think its a mixture of hungry tetras and the higher temp.
Just something to consider it doesnt matter to me because they are all culls in there.But the population may suffer long term if you intend to keep going with them.


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It’s a thinker. I do like the shrimp and they were only ever intended to go in the main tank. Suppose I could set up a growing on tank if numbers massively diminished. Just been offered a group of 6 adult zebra for a very decent price. Seller doesn’t know genders though so many be a non-starter as I could only justify costs if I attempted to breed them. Hmm....


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Title: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on October 04, 2018, 02:59:13 pm
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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: piker on October 04, 2018, 03:23:39 pm
I find a very low survival rate of baby shrimp in my big tank. There are always berried females but very few babies survive. Think its a mixture of hungry tetras and the higher temp.
Just something to consider it doesnt matter to me because they are all culls in there.But the population may suffer long term if you intend to keep going with them.


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It’s a thinker. I do like the shrimp and they were only ever intended to go in the main tank. Suppose I could set up a growing on tank if numbers massively diminished. Just been offered a group of 6 adult zebra for a very decent price. Seller doesn’t know genders though so many be a non-starter as I could only justify costs if I attempted to breed them. Hmm....


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I would be very tempted, always wanted to try zebras and 100l is a bit overkill for shrimp as much as i like them.
Do the zebras only show their sex when mature?

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on October 04, 2018, 04:14:20 pm
Cardinals would be fine, I just think emperors look better. ;) *grin*
Zebras would enjoy baby shrimp, they'd certainly get them in breeding mode if they were always available. ;)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on October 04, 2018, 05:41:49 pm
I find a very low survival rate of baby shrimp in my big tank. There are always berried females but very few babies survive. Think its a mixture of hungry tetras and the higher temp.
Just something to consider it doesnt matter to me because they are all culls in there.But the population may suffer long term if you intend to keep going with them.


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It’s a thinker. I do like the shrimp and they were only ever intended to go in the main tank. Suppose I could set up a growing on tank if numbers massively diminished. Just been offered a group of 6 adult zebra for a very decent price. Seller doesn’t know genders though so many be a non-starter as I could only justify costs if I attempted to breed them. Hmm....


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I would be very tempted, always wanted to try zebras and 100l is a bit overkill for shrimp as much as i like them.
Do the zebras only show their sex when mature?

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I’m pretty sure they’re like the bristlenose plecs. As they get older, males get larger odontodes I believe they’re called and they become slightly different body shapes. Odontodes are near the gills rather than on the nose obviously.

Bet it’s still hard to tell! Still can’t tell the difference in my sterbai genders unless I see them breeding.


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: piker on October 04, 2018, 06:00:29 pm
Do it Si, i want to buy the babies
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on October 04, 2018, 06:16:20 pm
Do it Si, i want to buy the babies

Haha! You’ll get first refusal ;)




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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on October 05, 2018, 11:16:49 pm
Well it's not looking good for the big tank!

They collected the tank yesterday with a very rude and impatient delivery driver.

I asked if it'd be replaced or repaired. He didn't know. I emailed the place asking ideally for a replacement, but no reply. Chased it this morning asking what was happening with it. Just got an email saying ring ***** after 10am. Not that they could ring me or anything....

Tried ringing all day. Finally got through and got a very rude woman who said she can't see anything wrong with it. I told her where the problem was (large air bubble in the seam) and she said it's microscopic. 5-6mm width joining a 10mm sheet of glass isn't exactly microscopic. Also stretched about 7 inches down one of the corners. I asked if it would be fixed or replaced as there's just air and no silicone. Se said someone will just add a bit more silicone and send it back. I informed her silicon doesn't stick to other silicone (the company claims to have decades of experience of building tanks!) so stated that won't work. She then said someone from production would have to have a look at it.

She'll get them to view it and call be back today. Well it's 11.11pm and the phone is still quiet.

Just asked for a refund. :(

Terrible experience, super shoddy product, awful customer service, not even a mention of an apology.

Back to square one.

Anyone recommend a reputable custom tank manufacturer?? :( *sulks*

Tempted by ND aquatics, but this company was a recommendation too.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gingerlove05 on October 05, 2018, 11:28:01 pm
Sorry to hear Si, that is a let down :(
Possible name and shame?
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on October 06, 2018, 12:46:14 am
Sorry to hear Si, that is a let down :(
Possible name and shame?

I'll be sharing full details once the cash is back in the bank.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on October 06, 2018, 09:34:23 am
Sorry to hear Si.
Bad customer experience is so unnecessary. I feel sorry for companies that work that way.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: piker on October 06, 2018, 11:09:51 am
ND get good reviews for build quality and customer service

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on October 06, 2018, 11:16:39 am
Quick update.

Last night I asked for a refund.

This is the reply I woke up to.

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I assume that’s moron speak for “faulty”.

From the research I’ve done, any air bubbles in the silicone create weakness and improve speed of failure. Any large air bubble will expand over time. The larger the bubble, the quicker the failure.

This is an average corner of the tank provided.

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Some air bubbles. Yes, but tiny, so I’d take the risk.

However this was the one I had the issue with.

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About 50% of the width of the glass isn’t sealed. It’s just air.

This is not a “faty” tank apparently.

They don’t answer the phones and struggle to reply to emails also. Not a good start to the morning sadly.


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Suelo on October 06, 2018, 02:48:21 pm
What a pain Si, seems like a real nightmare.

Did you pay via PayPal/Visa Debit/Visa Credit? You maybe able to get them to get involved if the company doesn't deal to your satisfaction.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: piker on October 06, 2018, 03:37:45 pm
That would go back if it was me as well, thats a defect and should never have passed inspection before it was sent out.
I would want a refund as i cant see how they could fix it without totally rebuilding the tank.

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gweeds on October 06, 2018, 10:30:22 pm
That is awful... I guess they could argue that the tank isn't faulty as it will hold water, I'd argue defective workmanship.

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on October 07, 2018, 11:28:46 am
What a pain Si, seems like a real nightmare.

Did you pay via PayPal/Visa Debit/Visa Credit? You maybe able to get them to get involved if the company doesn't deal to your satisfaction.

Paid by paypal, so I'm not too worried. Just a frustrating waiting game.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on October 07, 2018, 11:29:51 am
That would go back if it was me as well, thats a defect and should never have passed inspection before it was sent out.
I would want a refund as i cant see how they could fix it without totally rebuilding the tank.

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Just come back to me and said it's been inspected and it's not faulty. If that's the standard they're happy with, I'll not be wanting a replacement...
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on October 07, 2018, 11:31:36 am
That is awful... I guess they could argue that the tank isn't faulty as it will hold water, I'd argue defective workmanship.

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That's what I'll be arguing. It wasn't the only issue, one of the bottom corners wasn't lined up well either and overall the finish was poor. They seemed to slap an inch of silicone inside and out just to cover the shoddiness of their work.

Gonna be a battle for a refund, but one I'm prepared to fight.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gweeds on October 10, 2018, 02:45:36 pm
That is awful... I guess they could argue that the tank isn't faulty as it will hold water, I'd argue defective workmanship.

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That's what I'll be arguing. It wasn't the only issue, one of the bottom corners wasn't lined up well either and overall the finish was poor. They seemed to slap an inch of silicone inside and out just to cover the shoddiness of their work.

Gonna be a battle for a refund, but one I'm prepared to fight.
As I mentioned, my tank came from them and although it is a little rough around the edges (literally in some places) it was well built and no airpockets in the silicone as far as I could see... it's been through 3 house moves had 3 entirely different set ups (one marine) and been fine throughout, if it was going to fail it would have done by now!

I think you were just unlucky (or I was lucky maybe!), obviously i never had to test out their after sales service, which leaves a little to be desired by the sounds of it!

Disappointed for you.

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on October 10, 2018, 03:32:41 pm
Hello.

Sounds like you were one of the lucky ones. Found soooo much negative feedback since I’ve started chasing them for a refund. Other companies even use jungle pets work to show how much better theirs is!

Well 5 days after they took the tank, despite the panels not being aligned properly (about 8mm different from top to bottom), glass being sharp and rough, massive air bubbles in one seam and air bubbles in all the other, their ‘specialists’ said it was fine. Seems that is the ‘acceptable’ standard they produce so sounds like you did get lucky.

Since speaking to them (when they actually answered the phone) they were rude and aggressive. They left a piece of black trim behind when they collected the tank and refused my £330 refund because I hadn’t returned the piece of plastic trim. I very helpfully offered to courier it back to them with the most expensive courier I could find (about £125) and I said I’d automatically pass the cost to them on eBay but needed to know the value of it. The ‘owner’ had no idea of the value. Also she said she’s just slap more silicone on the air bubble and send the tank back.

I told her if I didn’t have a refund by 5pm I’d book the courier and charge back the extra £125 automatically. She hung up on me.

30 seconds later, refund received.

It was an awful experience and as far as it seems, they’re happy to pump out unsafe awful quality tanks. If I’d built it myself (which I considered) I wouldn’t have been happy with that as a result!

If it was a one off and they’d apologised for the oversight I would’ve accepted that. They didn’t apologise at all. The driver was rude and aggressive, making sarcastic swipes/ comments when picking the tank up. I definitely would stay well away. They don’t know the basics of tank building and just slap on 2 inches of silicone to cover up their shoddy craftsmanship.

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Just an example of their untidy ‘slapping-on’ of the silicon. Looks awful.

Just my opinion.

They’re also called aquaticandpet on eBay. Just in case anyone was tempted to try them out. I wouldn’t bother...


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: stuaz on October 10, 2018, 04:09:16 pm
Wow that last pic the silcone is just terrible.... certainly no quality control there.

Or at the very least the "that will do" attitude to workmanship...
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gingerlove05 on October 10, 2018, 05:48:26 pm
Wow! That is a mess! You’d also think with them constructing tanks they would know that silicone doesnt bind to itself once dry, it just creates another layer.
Definitely one to avoid! Good job on getting the refund!
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: piker on October 10, 2018, 06:41:42 pm
Bad news on the tank and now the delay getting set up. Glad you got the refund.
Have you got any more quotes yet?

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on October 10, 2018, 06:44:39 pm
Wow that last pic the silcone is just terrible.... certainly no quality control there.

Or at the very least the "that will do" attitude to workmanship...

That’s just normal and acceptable to them. The outside of the tank was sporadically slapped with silicone too which I’ve never seen before. Bodge job springs to mind.


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on October 10, 2018, 06:47:48 pm
Wow! That is a mess! You’d also think with them constructing tanks they would know that silicone doesnt bind to itself once dry, it just creates another layer.
Definitely one to avoid! Good job on getting the refund!

Originally I was hoping they’d strip the panel out and start again/ fix it. Or maybe even do a new tank. When the ‘person in charge’ stated saying just slap more silicon on it, I knew it was time to walk away. I told her new silicone didn’t stick to old stuff and she was genuinely surprised. Worrying this hasn’t come up in their ‘30 years of experience.’


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on October 10, 2018, 06:50:35 pm
Bad news on the tank and now the delay getting set up. Glad you got the refund.
Have you got any more quotes yet?

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The most frustrating thing is the delay. I’ve had most of this week off work and hoping to get it all set up and running. Just sat looking at an empty stand. Quotes seem to be £400-£520. A lot more than the £330 originally paid, but you get what you pay for I suppose. Annoying thing is the 6-8 week wait for them. Trying to decide if I need it double based or not. So hard to ‘guess’ who will do a good/ acceptable job and who is another cowboy, without it costing the earth!


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Stephen on October 10, 2018, 06:51:18 pm
Sorry to hear of the poor quality tank and terrible customer service you have had.
Glad you have received the refund  thumbsup2


I can not see any visible silicon on my tank, just neat workmanship.
That last photo you posted is a horror.


Hopefully you'll get better service elsewhere.


All the best
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on October 10, 2018, 08:46:33 pm
Sorry to hear of the poor quality tank and terrible customer service you have had.
Glad you have received the refund  thumbsup2


I can not see any visible silicon on my tank, just neat workmanship.
That last photo you posted is a horror.


Hopefully you'll get better service elsewhere.


All the best

Thanks Stephen.

Where did you tank come from?
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: piker on October 10, 2018, 08:50:31 pm
Barlows aquatics in Accrington do custom tanks, not sure on the quality but might be worth a ride out get some idea of the quality and a price.
Some nice wood in last time i was in there too.

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on October 10, 2018, 09:27:33 pm
Barlows aquatics in Accrington do custom tanks, not sure on the quality but might be worth a ride out get some idea of the quality and a price.
Some nice wood in last time i was in there too.

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Got some quotes from them innitially but it was nearly £500 for a tank smaller than the size I’ve decided on. I’d love to try aquariums 4 life as their tanks look ‘perfect’. You can barely even see silicon! But a bit out my price range. Going midrange at aquamania who’s tank look pretty darn, well, pretty! They polish the top edges so they should be nice and smooth and have straight black silicone about an inch wide on the corners which looks good to me. Plus they have a 4 week wait rather than 6-8. Deffo wanted fish in there by Xmas!! Not to mention, be living there by Xmas.

Fingers crossed this ones a ‘goodie’.


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: piker on October 10, 2018, 09:50:52 pm
Never heard of aquariums for life, just had a look on website. Look good quality but i would feel more confident with a neat bead on the inside with a tank that big.
Fingers crossed for you.

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on October 11, 2018, 08:37:34 am
Glad you got your refund, fingers crossed for the new order. :)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Stephen on October 11, 2018, 09:03:02 am


Thanks Stephen.

Where did you tank come from?
Mine is a 6 foot Aqua One Aquience 1800R tank (branded).
I have heard excellent reports about ND Aquatics (https://ndaquatics.co.uk/) and there's AC Aquatics (http://www.acaquatics.co.uk//), Prime Aquariums (http://primeaquariums.co.uk///) and others.


All the best
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on October 11, 2018, 10:47:55 pm


Thanks Stephen.

Where did you tank come from?
Mine is a 6 foot Aqua One Aquience 1800R tank (branded).
I have heard excellent reports about ND Aquatics (https://ndaquatics.co.uk/) and there's AC Aquatics (http://www.acaquatics.co.uk//), Prime Aquariums (http://primeaquariums.co.uk///) and others.


All the best

I was going to go for ND aquatics as I've heard good things. But the price, waiting time and a few bad reviews and comments arose and I carried on searching....
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on October 11, 2018, 10:58:16 pm
Well the order has been placed. Another 4 weeks and I should have have placed another massive lump of glass in the girlfriends living room! Exciting times. Just hoping this one is muuuuch better than the last attempt!

All is well in the current tanks situation. My golden ancistrus is battling for food well in the main tank and all 4 baby sterbai I added are doing great. The shrimporium is still cycling (I assume, not much has happened so far) but readings are pretty constant. At least the tank debarcle has left more prep time for media. Went on a random leaf-hunt for the shrimp tank. Found a fair few oak leaves and a lot of nettles. Seems the shrimp were starving as they've completely annihilated a large nettle leaf in about 2 hours today! Maybe I need to up their food dosing.

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At least I can start to get excited about the big tank/ move again now :)

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on October 12, 2018, 08:12:16 am
At least you've found an alternative use for the stand..........
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gingerlove05 on October 12, 2018, 08:59:28 am
 roflmao
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Stephen on October 12, 2018, 11:55:52 am
I hope you have better luck with the ND Aquatics tank. ;)

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Great surfing image  *grin*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gingerlove05 on October 12, 2018, 12:17:27 pm
Aww where’d my post go!
It was just me  roflmao mind but still! Lol
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on October 17, 2018, 07:07:00 pm
Mr (or Mrs as it’s looking so far) plec is looking really nice in the big tank. I think so anyway.

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on October 18, 2018, 08:22:31 am
Very nice - pink eyes, so a true albino. :)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on October 18, 2018, 11:27:25 pm
Very nice - pink eyes, so a true albino. :)

His face does remind me of the 3 eyed fish from The Simpsons somewhat.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on October 20, 2018, 12:14:16 am
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The sterbai were laying eggs in the main tank the other day. I didn’t bother saving any as I’ve already got 50ish fry growing on. Left the eggs and most vanished and I’d assumed got eaten. Then this morning I saw this little guy wriggling about! Doubt he’ll make it more than a week (if he wasn’t breakfast already) but it’s nice to see nature happening without my interference. :)


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on October 20, 2018, 08:05:48 am
They are so cute. :)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on October 22, 2018, 10:23:28 am
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My batch of cardinal Tetra fry are looking really good this morning. They’ve started shoaling together for the last week as well. Excited to get them in the main tank. Just a bit more growth before that happens. :)

Sorry for the pants photo. Best of a blurry bunch.


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on October 22, 2018, 04:56:26 pm
Nice to see them having grown a bit. :)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: piker on October 22, 2018, 06:08:10 pm
Nice work Si,
whats the parameters of your tank the sterbai spawn in, ive been doing cool water changes and feeding live foods all week and they just dont seem in the mood lol.
Mines at 26c,PH 6.5 and nitrates around 40.

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Feliss on October 22, 2018, 09:54:10 pm
Love our tank from NDaquatics, very happy with it. Is that who you went with in the end?
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on October 24, 2018, 08:50:19 am
Love our tank from NDaquatics, very happy with it. Is that who you went with in the end?

It’s not. I tried them, but their waiting time was about 8 weeks and they were pretty expensive. Also I found similar reviews to the experience I had with the last supplier. All good until there’s a problem, then they don’t want to know. So I’ve gone with someone else for now. The other bonus is the other company actually deliver the tank (2 people bring it in and put it on the stand, rather than kerbside ‘delivery’).

I’ve taken another bit of an eBay gamble, but the photos I’ve seen look amazing and not found any negative reviews on Facebook or eBay, etc. Fingers crossed this one works out. Should be another 2-3 weeks before we find out.


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on October 24, 2018, 08:50:58 am
Nice work Si,
whats the parameters of your tank the sterbai spawn in, ive been doing cool water changes and feeding live foods all week and they just dont seem in the mood lol.
Mines at 26c,PH 6.5 and nitrates around 40.

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Got my new test kit last night so I’ll try and get you some numbers later.


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Stephen on October 24, 2018, 10:03:49 am
Those cardinal fry do look good, well done  *grin*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on October 24, 2018, 01:07:28 pm
Those cardinal fry do look good, well done  *grin*

Thank you.

There's 6 really nice sized ones, 2 a bit smaller and 1 that's still super tiny like it's 2 weeks old! Don't know why he's so far behind the others, but I suppose you have to have a runt in the group. Very happy overall though :)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gingerlove05 on October 24, 2018, 01:14:49 pm
You’ve done really well with the cardinal breeding, could even say your getting the hang of it ;)
But they are looking well! Great work :)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on October 24, 2018, 02:56:17 pm
Nice work Si,
whats the parameters of your tank the sterbai spawn in, ive been doing cool water changes and feeding live foods all week and they just dont seem in the mood lol.
Mines at 26c,PH 6.5 and nitrates around 40.

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PH 7.2
Nitrates 15-20
Temp about 25c

That’s the main tank where they’re spawning. Might put the temp up more to 26c. Pretty similar to yours. I think once they start breeding, if they’ll just carry on. Took me what seemed an age to see their first breeding behaviour. Maybe let the nitrates rise a bit more then do a huge cooler water change? Then every day cooler water changes for a week?


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on October 24, 2018, 03:43:50 pm
Nice work Si,
whats the parameters of your tank the sterbai spawn in, ive been doing cool water changes and feeding live foods all week and they just dont seem in the mood lol.
Mines at 26c,PH 6.5 and nitrates around 40.

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Here's a quick update of the main tank to keep you inspired. I've added 6 fry to the main tank in the last couple of weeks. That takes my 'shoal' to 25 for now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVKcVqGp7C0

It'll be worth it if you keep persevering. If there's anything else in the tank you can get to spawn, that may also help. When the sterbai spawn, the cardinals usually do too within in 24-48 hrs and vice versa. May be the hormones released in the water?

Just a thought. Enjoy the video :)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: piker on October 24, 2018, 04:00:31 pm
Cheers Si i will try letting the nitrates rise a bit then.

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on October 24, 2018, 04:33:49 pm
How cool are they Si. *grin*
A bit like my pandas..... ;)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Suelo on October 24, 2018, 06:24:20 pm
I just love seeing all the different sizes together!
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: piker on October 24, 2018, 06:30:21 pm
1:30 the eye movement always makes me smile. Ha ha simple things

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gweeds on October 24, 2018, 08:41:16 pm
Beautiful fish and well done on the cardinals... great result.

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on November 04, 2018, 04:35:48 pm
Went to Pier Aquatics in Wigan today. Second time I’ve been and I’m pretty sure it’s now my favourite fish shop! Sooo much random and rare stuff you don’t get in the normal shops. Definitely only went for a look and not to buy anymore fish as the big tank isn’t ready yet.

They had a shoal of large corydoras which I’ve a feeling might be pantanalensis, but they weren’t labelled and are apparently the owner/ managers personal fish for now. Might keep my eyes on them.

Sadly though my will power is pathetic and I did get a super cute little addition! Another bottom feeder/ plec type fish. On the way home to acclimate him. Pics to follow, watch this space. He’s a beaut! :)


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on November 05, 2018, 08:42:26 am
Bated breath....... ;)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on November 05, 2018, 10:25:26 am
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181105/7c3cf93376973527639d7fef8c088ac7.jpg)

Check this guy out!

Super happy. He’s only tiny (about an inch), but hoping his colours will stay this awesome as he grows.

L397 panaquolas sp.


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on November 05, 2018, 03:55:16 pm
A beautiful fish. :)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on November 05, 2018, 06:55:11 pm
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Added 5 of my grown on fry to the group last night. All doing well today :)


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on November 05, 2018, 06:56:14 pm
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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on November 06, 2018, 07:58:43 am
That's a lovely group. *grin*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on November 14, 2018, 02:33:22 pm
Well after a long (just over 5 weeks) wait, my 'big tank'take two should be arriving on Friday.

Fingers crossed the quality is there this time. Trying not to get too excited, but I am a bit :)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gingerlove05 on November 14, 2018, 05:48:43 pm
Hopefully it will go better 2nd time round  :)
I’d be excited as well ;)  *grin*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gweeds on November 14, 2018, 10:52:50 pm
Well after a long (just over 5 weeks) wait, my 'big tank'take two should be arriving on Friday.

Fingers crossed the quality is there this time. Trying not to get too excited, but I am a bit :)
Hopefully be happy days  :)

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on November 15, 2018, 08:12:13 am
Fingers crossed Si. :)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: piker on November 15, 2018, 01:10:55 pm
Hopefully be a good un, set up in time for christmas

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Stephen on November 16, 2018, 10:59:22 pm
Well after a long (just over 5 weeks) wait, my 'big tank'take two should be arriving on Friday.

Fingers crossed the quality is there this time. Trying not to get too excited, but I am a bit :)
Has it arrived?
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on November 17, 2018, 11:05:50 pm
Well after a long (just over 5 weeks) wait, my 'big tank'take two should be arriving on Friday.

Fingers crossed the quality is there this time. Trying not to get too excited, but I am a bit :)
Has it arrived?


So I emailed them the morning before promised delivery day (already over week late) asking for an estimated delivery time. No response.

Found a telephone number on Friday (called 14 times), left voicemail on Friday and emailed twice. Sat in all day waiting. No response until 5.30pm, then I get this...

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Someone, somewhere doesn’t want me to have a big tank :( Told him I was disappointed and asked when to expect delivery and if two people were to bring it in and put it on the stand as promised. I await any response.

Sigh....

In other news, all my current tanks are doing great. My sterbai fry are bulking up nicely. Panacolus has settled in fine and coloured up well. Bristlenose is destroying all my amazon swords, eating all the leaves, but I seem to be doing well distracting her with broccoli, but at least she’s growing fast. Shrimp are good and lots of babies in the last 2 weeks. Just need Paul to hook me up with a big tank!


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on November 18, 2018, 09:46:11 am
It's so frustrating when you're waiting and walls keep going up...... *rolleyes*
Fingers crossed for you.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Stephen on November 18, 2018, 10:18:39 am
Seems that they can not spell either.
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I will book another available spot for delivery as soon as I fine someone reasonable
fine? should be find.
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I understand that it might course some inconvenience ...
course? should be cause

I hope they get it salted sorted soon ;)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on November 18, 2018, 11:08:55 pm
Seems that they can not spell either.
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I will book another available spot for delivery as soon as I fine someone reasonable
fine? should be find.
Quote
I understand that it might course some inconvenience ...
course? should be cause

I hope they get it salted sorted soon ;)

He better get it salted soon!

Get the feeling he’s polish. And Paul is actually Paulack?! Or something similar.

Said he can bring it Saturday now. Just hope I’m back from work in time. Another week of waiting. Sigh...


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Stephen on November 19, 2018, 09:46:35 am

I hope it gets delivered when you're there.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Feliss on November 22, 2018, 09:47:15 pm
Hoping for ya!
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gweeds on November 24, 2018, 07:35:17 am
So is today the day?? Excited for you!

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on November 24, 2018, 09:05:54 am
Fingers still crossed! *grin*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on November 24, 2018, 09:38:38 am
So is today the day?? Excited for you!

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Yup, just like last week was the day, and the week before that was ‘the day’....

Gotta keep hoping though. Keep those fingers crossed by tonight it’ll be on the stand! Other wise I’m giving up and getting a hamster instead. ;)


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on November 24, 2018, 08:03:32 pm
Good work on the finger crossing everyone. Team work makes the dream work ;)

It’s here!!

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Sooo much better quality than the first piece of cr*p! Looks amazing so far. Delivery was awkward as I wasn’t in, but 2 people with special trolleys put it on the stand. All I need to do is trim the excess foam. Nicely polished edges. Super happy so far.

First catfish is in and looking happy.

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gingerlove05 on November 24, 2018, 08:13:09 pm
Yay!  *yahoo*
Btw the cat is fabulous  *grin*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: DoubleDutch on November 24, 2018, 08:48:50 pm
Awesome tank.



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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Suelo on November 24, 2018, 10:07:07 pm
I'm so pleased it's arrived!

It (and the cat) look amazing!
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gweeds on November 25, 2018, 07:23:09 am
Stunning! Congrats!

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on November 25, 2018, 08:58:27 am
Brilliant! *grin*
I think you're stuck for stocking with a cat that size in there already......................
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Stephen on November 25, 2018, 10:18:38 am
Yippee!  *nice*

Love the cat fish.  *grin*


Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Feliss on November 25, 2018, 04:46:41 pm
Nice one! Glad it arrived and you're happy with it :)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gweeds on November 26, 2018, 01:14:28 pm
Most importantly... when's it getting wet??

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on November 26, 2018, 01:20:09 pm
Most importantly... when's it getting wet??

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Annoyingly I’ve had a really quiet couple off work weeks (purposely as I was meant to get it 2.5 weeks ago), but now things are getting super busy. I’m gonna try and get a bracket on it today to attach the stand to the wall (just for extra security) and it’s 1mm unlevel front to back at the moment due to the floor so I’m sorting that today too.

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Put my main ‘stick’ in it and played around with some lighting last night to get a feel. It looks tiny in the photos. Massive in real life. Obviously it’ll be up and running ASAP, but timescales are probably a week or two. Depends how levelling and stand boarding and work goes.


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gweeds on November 26, 2018, 01:25:01 pm
Most importantly... when's it getting wet??

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Annoyingly I’ve had a really quiet couple off work weeks (purposely as I was meant to get it 2.5 weeks ago), but now things are getting super busy. I’m gonna try and get a bracket on it today to attach the stand to the wall (just for extra security) and it’s 1mm unlevel front to back at the moment due to the floor so I’m sorting that today too.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181126/767174bdbe6078fbb4b09c11e507daa4.jpg)

Put my main ‘stick’ in it and played around with some lighting last night to get a feel. It looks tiny in the photos. Massive in real life. Obviously it’ll be up and running ASAP, but timescales are probably a week or two. Depends how levelling and stand boarding and work goes.


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Good luck!

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on November 26, 2018, 03:34:08 pm
This looks as though it's going to be epic! *grin*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: piker on November 26, 2018, 08:42:54 pm
Glad its arrived and your happy with it, look forward to seeing it progress.

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on November 26, 2018, 10:02:35 pm
Evening everyone. Just wanted to say thanks for all the well wishes from everyone. Glad to see you're almost as excited as me and that the cat will still grab any attention when it's in the room.

Forgetting the new tank for a minute.

The 4ft tank is doing amazing. Just done the weekly water change and the sterbai immediately started spawning (sorry Piker, I don't know what to say!?). An albino female is the main culprit and I'm witholding the urge to keep her eggs, but I need to be sensible and think they'll hopefully all be moving in the next week or two if all goes to plan. The bristlenose seems to be continuous annihilating my big amazon swords which were going be help be the centre peice of the new tank. Any suggestions to help stop her eating the leaves??

The shrimp tank has exploded in population in the last month. I counted over 10 berried females at one point and they all seem to have laid/ hatched in the last couple of weeks. The 48L tank is looking pretty full right now! It's like Where's Wally, level 50,873.

The 'fry'tank' is still full of sterbai, 2 cardinals which have fattened up super nicely since their bigger siblings were removed and my panacolus which is starting to put on size. The panacolus will be out of quarantine on Sunday which potentially means he's going into the big tank when the rest do.

Any thoughts on that? He's about 1.25in and my bristlenose is about 2.5 in (and a lot stockier!). Is there risking of an attack/ fighting? I don't have any 'caves' as such, but there will be lots of wood roots and nooks and crannies to hide in and around.

And back to the big/ new tanks.

The 'shrimporium' (100L) has failed to cycle the new media. If anything, ammonia has gone up not down. Not a major issue, but I'm wondering if too many fert tabs have caused issues or the plants have melted due to my over bright light and there's some dying ones somewhere (not had time to check). I may try and dig up the root tabs and remove some before adding the shrimp.

And the big tank. I levelled it with shims today, managed to fix it to the wall and screw part of the stand to the floor as well so shouldn't budge anytime soon.

I've a lot of sand and gravel to wash and get in the tank, then I'll begin the slow process of digging all the sand out the old tank and driving it to the new house and eventually planting everything. And even adding some water....

That was a lot wasn't it?

A lot going on. I'll try and get video updates as I go. Watch this space. It's about to get interesting ;)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on November 27, 2018, 08:22:59 am
The only way to stop BNs eating plants is to put fresh veg in all the time. They will still uproot them when they dig though.
As panaqs are more carnivores and BNs more veggies there shouldn't be a problem together in the (very) big tank.....
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: piker on November 27, 2018, 06:46:34 pm
I've give up trying si, think they have decided to follow the latest craze and become gender neutral.
I dont envy you prepping all that substrate, that is a really nice tank though, looking at the fx its massive.
Whats your lighting plans?

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on November 27, 2018, 07:40:57 pm
The only way to stop BNs eating plants is to put fresh veg in all the time. They will still uproot them when they dig though.
As panaqs are more carnivores and BNs more veggies there shouldn't be a problem together in the (very) big tank.....

Noted. I’ve been trying with broccoli 90% of the time, but the destruction they can do in an afternoon is immense! Good news on compatibility.


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on November 27, 2018, 07:49:35 pm
I've give up trying si, think they have decided to follow the latest craze and become gender neutral.
I dont envy you prepping all that substrate, that is a really nice tank though, looking at the fx its massive.
Whats your lighting plans?

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Haha, mine were annoyingly slow to get going back in the day. One day it’ll just happen for you I’m sure. I’m sure there’s a whimsical quote about fish keeping and patience somewhere...

For lighting I currently have x2 115cm interpet triple led strips. As they are longer than the tank when combined I’ve ordered a 75cm so I can have one long strip the whole length of the tank. I’m going to start there and see how it looks. With the extra height in the new tank I’m hoping the light will spread out and cover all the tank. If not, I may get an eBay 6ft cheap led bar to run along the back of the tank. Hoping the triple strip will be enough. Had the 2 light bars on my 4ft tank and it’s super bright, but caused a lot of BBA growth. I’m guessing the extra height will mean less impact of the light on the plants too so hopefully need less co2/ seachem excel. Hopefully. I’ll see how the plants do. Or what’s left after the plec has done with them.

Not many obvious lighting options in the 2 metre tank category, unless you’re a millionaire!


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gweeds on November 28, 2018, 01:02:53 pm
I've give up trying si, think they have decided to follow the latest craze and become gender neutral.
I dont envy you prepping all that substrate, that is a really nice tank though, looking at the fx its massive.
Whats your lighting plans?

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Haha, mine were annoyingly slow to get going back in the day. One day it’ll just happen for you I’m sure. I’m sure there’s a whimsical quote about fish keeping and patience somewhere...

For lighting I currently have x2 115cm interpet triple led strips. As they are longer than the tank when combined I’ve ordered a 75cm so I can have one long strip the whole length of the tank. I’m going to start there and see how it looks. With the extra height in the new tank I’m hoping the light will spread out and cover all the tank. If not, I may get an eBay 6ft cheap led bar to run along the back of the tank. Hoping the triple strip will be enough. Had the 2 light bars on my 4ft tank and it’s super bright, but caused a lot of BBA growth. I’m guessing the extra height will mean less impact of the light on the plants too so hopefully need less co2/ seachem excel. Hopefully. I’ll see how the plants do. Or what’s left after the plec has done with them.

Not many obvious lighting options in the 2 metre tank category, unless you’re a millionaire!


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On lighting, I went with 2 x 4 foot LEDs from eBay, not bad at £50 a pop. From memory the whites are 6500k, then there's blue, red and green led in addition. I just used the tank mounting legs that came with them and sat them end to end. If I was attempting a planted tank, I'd stick with these but double up on them. There's a few inches of the tank not covered in the middle, but the spread is good enough not to notice unless you look really hard.

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on December 04, 2018, 11:23:51 pm
It’s been a super busy work week and today was my only real day off so I’ve made the most of it!


After a lot of gravel cleaning in the evenings the new tank was ready for sand to be transferred. Time to strip down the 4ft tank.

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1pm

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2pm

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9pm

Left the fish and some sticks with plants attached in for now. Substrate and the rest of the plants have been moved to the new house/ tank. I sieved most of the sand in the new tank to remove the old root tabs, but that’s left the water pretty cloudy.

Filled the tank up and fired up the fx6. All seems to be working well. I’ve added the heaters and set the lights on timers while I’m away all week. Plants are kind of dumped in place for now, but I need to move the remaining sticks over on fish-moving day so will have a play around when the time comes.

Getting excited as things are finally getting getting there. Away til Sunday at least now, so no sneaky pix til then.

Sat by the 4ft tank for now. The large water change has set the sterbai off into another breeding frenzy so sat watching them chasing, laying, then gobbling the eggs. At least the stress of me stripping the tank out hasn’t stressed them too much. 

The dream is finally looking like it might soon become a reality!

4ft tank is now on eBay if you fancy a bid, now is the time ;)


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: thebendyfox on December 07, 2018, 10:13:02 am
Any other time of year I would have that tank off you Si - plus I think I'm only down the road from you.

But my Mrs would quite literally kill me - still got a 60ltr tank and plan thats being put together in the new year AND I was strongarmed into getting rid of another tank when we moved house  :mad:
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on December 08, 2018, 10:35:03 am
Any other time of year I would have that tank off you Si - plus I think I'm only down the road from you.

But my Mrs would quite literally kill me - still got a 60ltr tank and plan thats being put together in the new year AND I was strongarmed into getting rid of another tank when we moved house  :mad:

60litre?? She'll never get anything interesting in that. Time to go big! Ave a word...  ;)   roflmao
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on December 08, 2018, 10:47:53 am
So 4 days of working away and I've come back to a crystal clear big tank! It looks mint! Tank seems to be keeping warm at 26-27C which is spot on what I want.

Now the water is clear I've realised I need a tiny bit more sand in the middle and to replant a couple of plants, but other than that, it's all up and running!

Working later today into the early hours and then got my work xmas lunch tomorrow, then work is pretty quiet (for now), so just gotta come up with a moving plan. I'll probably try and cut some stand doors today if i get chance.

Very excited. Theoretically, all I need to do, is bag up the fish, turn the filters off, drive up the road with fish and filters, float the fish, transfer the media into the fx6 and release the fish. What could possibly go wrong?

Oh and move the sticks up and do a little scaping finishing off first.

Going to be an exciting week!  *applause*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Stephen on December 08, 2018, 01:39:42 pm
All the best with the move Si  *grin*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on December 08, 2018, 01:42:04 pm
Yes, looking forward to pics of a full tank. *grin*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gweeds on December 08, 2018, 10:59:42 pm
Exciting stuff! Good to see it wet :)

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: piker on December 09, 2018, 10:36:03 am
Hope the move goes to plan, looking forward to the pics.
How you finding the fx to work with?

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on December 09, 2018, 10:48:44 am
Hope the move goes to plan, looking forward to the pics.
How you finding the fx to work with?

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Not done much with it so far. Pretty easy to set up. Barely able to move it now it’s full. I’m going to do a practise water change type procedure when adding the new media from my old filters so I’ll let you know how that goes. Bit noisier than I was expecting, so put it on a big piece of foam and that has helped a lot. Wondering if I need a power head or something extra in the tank as it’s so long. Or another fx6...

I’ll update once I’ve had a proper test and play with it this week.


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gweeds on December 10, 2018, 10:13:21 pm
Hope the move goes to plan, looking forward to the pics.
How you finding the fx to work with?

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Not done much with it so far. Pretty easy to set up. Barely able to move it now it’s full. I’m going to do a practise water change type procedure when adding the new media from my old filters so I’ll let you know how that goes. Bit noisier than I was expecting, so put it on a big piece of foam and that has helped a lot. Wondering if I need a power head or something extra in the tank as it’s so long. Or another fx6...

I’ll update once I’ve had a proper test and play with it this week.


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I'm still surprised you didn't sump it!! Nice and silent :) You'll get used to the racket from the fx6 tho I guess ;)

Yes to some sort of wavemaker... I've found that with anything over about 6 foot, you need something to aid with circulation. Look up the jebao wavemakers and gyres - great pumps for the price point especially if you're not using them in saltwater, loads of controllability and they shift a lot of water if you need them to. The gyres in particular add another dimension to the tank with the currents they create.

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on December 10, 2018, 10:23:03 pm
Hope the move goes to plan, looking forward to the pics.
How you finding the fx to work with?

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Not done much with it so far. Pretty easy to set up. Barely able to move it now it’s full. I’m going to do a practise water change type procedure when adding the new media from my old filters so I’ll let you know how that goes. Bit noisier than I was expecting, so put it on a big piece of foam and that has helped a lot. Wondering if I need a power head or something extra in the tank as it’s so long. Or another fx6...

I’ll update once I’ve had a proper test and play with it this week.


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I'm still surprised you didn't sump it!! Nice and silent :) You'll get used to the racket from the fx6 tho I guess ;)

Yes to some sort of wavemaker... I've found that with anything over about 6 foot, you need something to aid with circulation. Look up the jebao wavemakers and gyres - great pumps for the price point especially if you're not using them in saltwater, loads of controllability and they shift a lot of water if you need them to. The gyres in particular add another dimension to the tank with the currents they create.

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I shall look into them both ta. Although a small internal filter may work the same I’m assuming? Might be an eye sore though.

Well the move is pretty much complete with mixed results. Moved the filters, sticks and fish.

The tetras were split over 3 bags and only  bagged up for about 15 mins including the 4 min drive to the new house. Floated the 3 bags and one was full of dead cardinals on arrival. Lost 9 so far and one isn’t looking great. Not a good start at all. Very upsetting. The rest of the fish (including 8 crystal red shrimp) are all looking ok after 3 hrs in the tank. Very odd, surprising and sad.

Updates tomorrow when the tank is clearer (I replanted it all after moving the sticks) and things have settled down.

Still need to move the air stones, heater guards, etc. Been a long day...


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gweeds on December 10, 2018, 10:35:04 pm
Hope the move goes to plan, looking forward to the pics.
How you finding the fx to work with?

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Not done much with it so far. Pretty easy to set up. Barely able to move it now it’s full. I’m going to do a practise water change type procedure when adding the new media from my old filters so I’ll let you know how that goes. Bit noisier than I was expecting, so put it on a big piece of foam and that has helped a lot. Wondering if I need a power head or something extra in the tank as it’s so long. Or another fx6...

I’ll update once I’ve had a proper test and play with it this week.


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I'm still surprised you didn't sump it!! Nice and silent :) You'll get used to the racket from the fx6 tho I guess ;)

Yes to some sort of wavemaker... I've found that with anything over about 6 foot, you need something to aid with circulation. Look up the jebao wavemakers and gyres - great pumps for the price point especially if you're not using them in saltwater, loads of controllability and they shift a lot of water if you need them to. The gyres in particular add another dimension to the tank with the currents they create.

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I shall look into them both ta. Although a small internal filter may work the same I’m assuming? Might be an eye sore though.

Well the move is pretty much complete with mixed results. Moved the filters, sticks and fish.

The tetras were split over 3 bags and only  bagged up for about 15 mins including the 4 min drive to the new house. Floated the 3 bags and one was full of dead cardinals on arrival. Lost 9 so far and one isn’t looking great. Not a good start at all. Very upsetting. The rest of the fish (including 8 crystal red shrimp) are all looking ok after 3 hrs in the tank. Very odd, surprising and sad.

Updates tomorrow when the tank is clearer (I replanted it all after moving the sticks) and things have settled down.

Still need to move the air stones, heater guards, etc. Been a long day...


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The joy with a proper wavemaker is the controllability... you can adjust the flow type and strength and even pause it for feeding time or set up programs to run throughout the day - So flow slows right down at night for example. Pulsing modes work really well to create random flow which is what you need to stop dead spots. Gyres have the same controllability but (And I know this sounds odd) they kinda push all the water one way and then pull it back the other... almost creating proper waves... just don't overkill the tank or the waves might break on the floor!

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on December 11, 2018, 08:33:26 pm
And here it is!

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Needs to mature a bit and I think it looks a bit pants on the photos compared to real life, but 24hrs later the fish are getting fed and all seem happy.

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Thoughts welcomed.

The only thing missing is a lot more fish!

Since losing the tetras in the move, sadly my ‘dither’ fish stocks have depleted which means the sterbai all hide. Tank is looking very empty.

Panacolus has settled in great, plec is eating everything in sight, shrimp are still with us, extra sterbai fry seem happy and active, surviving 8 cardinals are shoaling nicely.

Current thoughts are to add 50 more tetras (30 cardinals and 20 rummynose, but the split could vary) and 8ish Congo tetra. Any thoughts.

Let me know what you think :)


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: VC on December 11, 2018, 08:42:28 pm
Stunning! Those corydoras are so cute too!
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gweeds on December 11, 2018, 09:51:32 pm
In a tank that size, go for a REALLY big shoal of something - maybe the cardinals? Go for over 100... I had my big tank set up as a SA community originally and had 120 Buenos Aires tetras - the shoaling behaviour was awesome - I added a few bigger fish to act as 'predators' (they were safe!) which really encouraged the shoaling behaviour. I had geos, leporinus and acaras.

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on December 11, 2018, 09:56:19 pm
In a tank that size, go for a REALLY big shoal of something - maybe the cardinals? Go for over 100... I had my big tank set up as a SA community originally and had 120 Buenos Aires tetras - the shoaling behaviour was awesome - I added a few bigger fish to act as 'predators' (they were safe!) which really encouraged the shoaling behaviour. I had geos, leporinus and acaras.

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I was going to do that, but then panicked I’ve added too many sterbai, plus 2 plecs and the gourami. Don’t want to over stock. Also I’ve seen tanks ‘full’ of cardinals and they tend to just spread out rather than shoal. That was the effect I was hoping for though. You not think 60 will be enough? Definitely all the same species rather than the two types? I’m just bothered the top level of my tank will be empty. 3 gourami ain’t doing much at the mo...


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gweeds on December 11, 2018, 10:01:29 pm
In a tank that size, go for a REALLY big shoal of something - maybe the cardinals? Go for over 100... I had my big tank set up as a SA community originally and had 120 Buenos Aires tetras - the shoaling behaviour was awesome - I added a few bigger fish to act as 'predators' (they were safe!) which really encouraged the shoaling behaviour. I had geos, leporinus and acaras.

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I was going to do that, but then panicked I’ve added too many sterbai, plus 2 plecs and the gourami. Don’t want to over stock. Also I’ve seen tanks ‘full’ of cardinals and they tend to just spread out rather than shoal. That was the effect I was hoping for though. You not think 60 will be enough? Definitely all the same species rather than the two types? I’m just bothered the top level of my tank will be empty. 3 gourami ain’t doing much at the mo...


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In a tank that size, go for a REALLY big shoal of something - maybe the cardinals? Go for over 100... I had my big tank set up as a SA community originally and had 120 Buenos Aires tetras - the shoaling behaviour was awesome - I added a few bigger fish to act as 'predators' (they were safe!) which really encouraged the shoaling behaviour. I had geos, leporinus and acaras.

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I was going to do that, but then panicked I’ve added too many sterbai, plus 2 plecs and the gourami. Don’t want to over stock. Also I’ve seen tanks ‘full’ of cardinals and they tend to just spread out rather than shoal. That was the effect I was hoping for though. You not think 60 will be enough? Definitely all the same species rather than the two types? I’m just bothered the top level of my tank will be empty. 3 gourami ain’t doing much at the mo...


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You've got enough space in there for a really big shoal... I'd be tempted to keep it all SA - ditch the gouramis, replace with a nice 10ish shoal of hatchets for the top. The trick to getting decent shoaling behaviour is to include at least one fish that the shoaling species will view as a threat... in my case it was the geos, acaras and leporinus. Look at the huge tanks with hundreds of rummy nose and discus... the discus are viewed as a threat so keeps the rummy noses shoaling. I always used banded leporinus as they get big, are stunning fish in their own right and completely harmless, but the right shape for a pred.

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on December 11, 2018, 10:05:58 pm
In a tank that size, go for a REALLY big shoal of something - maybe the cardinals? Go for over 100... I had my big tank set up as a SA community originally and had 120 Buenos Aires tetras - the shoaling behaviour was awesome - I added a few bigger fish to act as 'predators' (they were safe!) which really encouraged the shoaling behaviour. I had geos, leporinus and acaras.

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I was going to do that, but then panicked I’ve added too many sterbai, plus 2 plecs and the gourami. Don’t want to over stock. Also I’ve seen tanks ‘full’ of cardinals and they tend to just spread out rather than shoal. That was the effect I was hoping for though. You not think 60 will be enough? Definitely all the same species rather than the two types? I’m just bothered the top level of my tank will be empty. 3 gourami ain’t doing much at the mo...


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In a tank that size, go for a REALLY big shoal of something - maybe the cardinals? Go for over 100... I had my big tank set up as a SA community originally and had 120 Buenos Aires tetras - the shoaling behaviour was awesome - I added a few bigger fish to act as 'predators' (they were safe!) which really encouraged the shoaling behaviour. I had geos, leporinus and acaras.

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I was going to do that, but then panicked I’ve added too many sterbai, plus 2 plecs and the gourami. Don’t want to over stock. Also I’ve seen tanks ‘full’ of cardinals and they tend to just spread out rather than shoal. That was the effect I was hoping for though. You not think 60 will be enough? Definitely all the same species rather than the two types? I’m just bothered the top level of my tank will be empty. 3 gourami ain’t doing much at the mo...


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You've got enough space in there for a really big shoal... I'd be tempted to keep it all SA - ditch the gouramis, replace with a nice 10ish shoal of hatchets for the top. The trick to getting decent shoaling behaviour is to include at least one fish that the shoaling species will view as a threat... in my case it was the geos, acaras and leporinus. Look at the huge tanks with hundreds of rummy nose and discus... the discus are viewed as a threat so keeps the rummy noses shoaling. I always used banded leporinus as they get big, are stunning fish in their own right and completely harmless, but the right shape for a pred.

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I don’t want anything bigger than the gourami really. I’ve got 8 crystal red shrimp in and will be adding another few (40?) later this week if all goes to plan. The gourami add colour which is the most important thing for my tank. Bright coloured fish. Loving the yellow. I’d love some orange mollies or similar if my water wasn’t so soft. The sterbai just scraped in due to their orange finnage.


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on December 12, 2018, 07:54:28 am
It looks really nice Si :)
What about some apistos or rams for the "predators"?
I would watch Congo(e)s as they MAY go for smaller tetras. ;)
Bentosi tetras are quite bright, and lemons are brighter than people think.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gweeds on December 14, 2018, 06:53:21 pm
In a tank that size, go for a REALLY big shoal of something - maybe the cardinals? Go for over 100... I had my big tank set up as a SA community originally and had 120 Buenos Aires tetras - the shoaling behaviour was awesome - I added a few bigger fish to act as 'predators' (they were safe!) which really encouraged the shoaling behaviour. I had geos, leporinus and acaras.

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I was going to do that, but then panicked I’ve added too many sterbai, plus 2 plecs and the gourami. Don’t want to over stock. Also I’ve seen tanks ‘full’ of cardinals and they tend to just spread out rather than shoal. That was the effect I was hoping for though. You not think 60 will be enough? Definitely all the same species rather than the two types? I’m just bothered the top level of my tank will be empty. 3 gourami ain’t doing much at the mo...


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In a tank that size, go for a REALLY big shoal of something - maybe the cardinals? Go for over 100... I had my big tank set up as a SA community originally and had 120 Buenos Aires tetras - the shoaling behaviour was awesome - I added a few bigger fish to act as 'predators' (they were safe!) which really encouraged the shoaling behaviour. I had geos, leporinus and acaras.

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I was going to do that, but then panicked I’ve added too many sterbai, plus 2 plecs and the gourami. Don’t want to over stock. Also I’ve seen tanks ‘full’ of cardinals and they tend to just spread out rather than shoal. That was the effect I was hoping for though. You not think 60 will be enough? Definitely all the same species rather than the two types? I’m just bothered the top level of my tank will be empty. 3 gourami ain’t doing much at the mo...


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You've got enough space in there for a really big shoal... I'd be tempted to keep it all SA - ditch the gouramis, replace with a nice 10ish shoal of hatchets for the top. The trick to getting decent shoaling behaviour is to include at least one fish that the shoaling species will view as a threat... in my case it was the geos, acaras and leporinus. Look at the huge tanks with hundreds of rummy nose and discus... the discus are viewed as a threat so keeps the rummy noses shoaling. I always used banded leporinus as they get big, are stunning fish in their own right and completely harmless, but the right shape for a pred.

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I don’t want anything bigger than the gourami really. I’ve got 8 crystal red shrimp in and will be adding another few (40?) later this week if all goes to plan. The gourami add colour which is the most important thing for my tank. Bright coloured fish. Loving the yellow. I’d love some orange mollies or similar if my water wasn’t so soft. The sterbai just scraped in due to their orange finnage.


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Should have gone african like me if it is colour you're after :) mind you, they don't appeal to everyone and stocking options are pretty much non existent, outside of the cichlids.

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on December 16, 2018, 04:06:04 pm
They're nice, but don't really interest me. Too big. The whole point of the big tank is to get nano type fish for scale. Give loads of room for them and hopefully get nice shoaling action. That's the plan any way....
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Post by: Gweeds on December 19, 2018, 10:22:18 pm
They're nice, but don't really interest me. Too big. The whole point of the big tank is to get nano type fish for scale. Give loads of room for them and hopefully get nice shoaling action. That's the plan any way....
Totally get the appeal of that... looking forward to seeing what you go for :)

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on December 19, 2018, 10:41:17 pm
Professor panacolus has finally started emerging from his hidey home under the big log at meal times. He’s shy of the light, but not shy to biff some sterbai out the way!

Sorry for the poor quality video, don’t know why it’s gone so pixelated.

He’s gonna be a beaut when he’s full grown.

https://youtu.be/xk_ffZSyJJM

Enjoy :)


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on December 20, 2018, 07:55:44 am
Very nice! *grin*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Stephen on December 20, 2018, 10:51:10 am
Looking good Si.
I love the panaqolus.  *grin*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on December 22, 2018, 02:36:00 pm
Well it’s nearly Christmas and the tank seems to be settling down. I’ve had a couple of 0.25 ammonia readings since adding the fish, but reducing the food input and a couple of water changes and hopefully everything is now on track.

I’m marking today as success day as the sterbai have begun spawning again. Barely seen them since the move, but they’ve obviously settled in now and feeling comfortable enough to get to it. Eggs on the glass and about 15 sterbai putting on their dancing/ chasing display. Excellent to see.

Hoping someone was going to come and collect x20 sterbai juvies today from the grow out tank, but not heard back yet. As soon as they’ve gone, I can get another 75 small cardinal tetra in the quarantine tank.

Gonna transfer a few crystal red shrimp into the big tank today as well I think and see how they get on.

Finally there’s some fish action! Felt like I’ve been staring at an empty tank the last week or two.

I ordered a new 6ft led full spectrum light on Wednesday as well to see how that affects the colours of the fish (arrived by Friday). That could end up being an xmas present so not allowed to open it yet!

Hope everyone is ready for Christmas and is on the nice list :)


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: piker on December 22, 2018, 07:53:24 pm
Looking good si,have a good Christmas.

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on December 23, 2018, 09:25:52 am
Looking good si,have a good Christmas.

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You too sir. Merry crimbo!


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on January 19, 2019, 09:37:20 pm
Well as I’m getting very sick of the very sick fish I bought (see my thread on cardinals dying!) I decided to go on a shopping trip.

I was considering getting some more cardinals from a better source, but decided to keep battling on with the ones I’ve got for now. I ended up doing a tour of the north west fish shops (Oldham, Bolton, Wigan and Leyland) hopefully on the hunt for some more female honey gouramis instead. I’m down to 3 males in the big tank and one seems to be getting a bit of stick. I’m hoping some nice ladies will provide the necessary distraction for them and hopefully add colour and movement to my very empty top of the tank.

The ideal would’ve been 4 yellow and 2 normal (pink) but I stumbled upon a well grown-on group of nearly all female yellows for a decent price. They’d been in the shop since September so confident any illness would’ve shown itself by now. And the missis preferred them too!

So meet my 6 new (hopefully) female honey gourami.

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They’re in another quarantine tank, well away from the killer cardinals. It’s a bit sparse in there for them, but I donated the last of my fake plants to the mothers tank last week. Doh!

Hope you like em. Think they’ll be a great addition to the big tank when they’ve settled in :)


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: VC on January 19, 2019, 09:43:49 pm
They look great! Hope to get some one day.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on January 20, 2019, 09:35:49 am
Very nice Si. :)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Stephen on January 20, 2019, 11:09:08 am
They look nice & healthy  *grin*

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And the missis preferred them too!
You should be on to some winners then  *grin*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gingerlove05 on January 20, 2019, 11:35:31 am
I do love honeys, even though we cant keep them longterm in our water. Our male was one of the most pleasant lovely fish we’ve ever had :)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: piker on January 20, 2019, 07:22:32 pm
Nice,did you go to pier.Ive not been for a while but I've been told they have had a bit of a refit and stock a lot more dry goods and hardscape.

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on January 20, 2019, 09:35:49 pm
I do love honeys, even though we cant keep them longterm in our water. Our male was one of the most pleasant lovely fish we’ve ever had :)

I haven’t had great success long term to be honest. One of the three males that was getting harassed by the other two has just swelled up like a balloon! Looks like severe dropsy. Put him in the hospital tank with Furan 2 and not hopeful he’ll be with us tomorrow. Hopefully the girls will keep the other apart.

Also got some vallis to keep the line of sigh broken between ends of the tank. Hoping it’ll grow pretty quick.

Not having great luck at the moment, but I’m doing my best.


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on January 20, 2019, 09:43:18 pm
Nice,did you go to pier.Ive not been for a while but I've been told they have had a bit of a refit and stock a lot more dry goods and hardscape.

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We did, only for 20 mins or so because everything was shutting. I was only really after honey gourami, but had to have a look. Tempted by another panaquolus or blue/ green phantom, but managed to make it out of their empty handed. There’s a lot of pleco caves and stuff in. Didn’t spend too much time looking other than at the fish.

Went Maidenhead aquatics in Wigan (where I got the honeys from- another six remain, males and females). Great fish and very knowledgeable staff. Mike who works there is in this months PFK magazine with his Cory fish room. He was showing us the article.

He didn’t have any pantanalensis Cory though. But he sent us the aqualife down the road as they had some. Joy!

Sadly, they sucked! Even the guy selling them said they looked like big dull bronzes. They were really brown and pants! Not like the green shiny brochis-like ones I’ve seen before. Decided to skip a breeding group of crap ones for over £100. Not today. The hunt continues. 


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on January 21, 2019, 07:22:13 pm
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Today I had a day off. So spent most of it in a freezing garage making a new stand surround/ front. Pretty pleased with the nicer wood. Now to decide whether to paint it, or stain it?

I was going to keep it light coloured, but now it’s on, it might be a bit too light. The missis reckons I should stain it the same colour as the wood in the tank. Not sure if it might be a bit dark. Any thoughts?


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Fishtales on January 22, 2019, 12:12:59 am
Wow great job Si, very impressive. I agree with your other half, I really love the look of darker wood. My tank has a light wood stand, but I would swap it for what you've made stained darker in a heartbeat  *grin*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on January 22, 2019, 07:48:45 am
I'd only get it to the same stain as the floor. The tank is is the object, the stand should blend in. ;) :)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gweeds on January 22, 2019, 07:53:33 am
Looking good :)

I recently revamped my cabinet, went from a light knotty pine to painted grey... really like the look of it now.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190122/cac112e1037f2687a4baef8b83ce19d3.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190122/b04f45c99e6f442c21ee5a97cacc891e.jpg)

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: piker on January 23, 2019, 06:37:47 pm
Looks good Si.
I agree with plankton light stain to match the flooring.

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on January 25, 2019, 10:20:33 am
Thanks for all the feedback. I do like that grey cabinet look. Light grey was the original plan, but the wood is so nice it’d be a shame to completely hide it. Still a thinker for now.

Been an up and down week this week. One of the yellow honey gourami males has ballooned and developed major dropsy symptoms. I removed him to a hospital tank but he’s basically been immobile and upside down for days. Also had 2 cardinals in there from the ‘bad batch’ I got with bad body marking that looked like NTD. (Neon tetra disease). After treating and seeing no improvement in any of them, (cardinals got worse) I euthanised all 3 last night to end the suffering. Sad times.

New honey females all look to be doing well and the remaining cardinals in the quarantine tank seem active and all shoaling at last. The heavy med course seems to have done something at least. Still waiting for my general cure to arrive, but big water changes daily should keep em in good health. Out of the 58 I originally got, 38 are still with us. One ram looks good, the other has weird eyes. I’ll do a post about this later.

The big tank is healthy, just very sparse of fish. Panacolus (I forgot how to spell it) has become more confident and showing a bit more, but this actually resulted in a full on scrap between him  and my gold ancistrus yesterday. Bit worrying to see, but hoping it was a rarity. Guess when there’s broccoli at stake, it’s every man for themselves.

I made a video to cheer myself up a bit. Looked good on my phone, but everything looks very pale and washed out now it’s on YouTube. Watch on your mobile for better colours. Still pretty poor compared to real life. Anyway, here it is:

https://youtu.be/n0mqBfYpXyY

I’m off to do some water changing!


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gingerlove05 on January 25, 2019, 12:29:16 pm
Sorry for the losses Si :(
Hopefully the rest are ok.
The big tank looks ace, the panaqolus looks well coloured as does that one male honey whos on one!  *grin*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on January 25, 2019, 04:40:32 pm
Sorry for the losses :(
I like the BN trying to hide behind a snail....?? *rolleyes*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on January 25, 2019, 05:46:09 pm
Sorry for the losses Si :(
Hopefully the rest are ok.
The big tank looks ace, the panaqolus looks well coloured as does that one male honey whos on one!  *grin*

He’s been in full breeding dress for weeks, with only 2 boys to impress. He’s the captain of the tank and potentially the reason one of the yellows got dropsy due to aggression and resultant stress. Thought the big tank was big enough, maybe I need a 10 footer?

Hoping the 6 girls will put squabbling between the remaining two males on hold. Or turn it into a blood bath. One way or the other, it’ll deffo change the dynamic.

Panaque looks brown in the vids. He’s deffo more orange in person. Favourite fishy at the mo. Especially now he’s playing out a bit more. Even if it may be a bit rough and tumble.


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on January 25, 2019, 05:47:32 pm
Sorry for the losses :(
I like the BN trying to hide behind a snail....?? *rolleyes*

Haha, she’s still in denial she’s put xmas weight on. She still thinks she’s a super model tiny thing that can hide anywhere.

Losses were for the best. Onwards and upwards with the hopefully healthy remaining survivors.


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: piker on January 30, 2019, 08:43:21 pm
Looking good Si,hows the circulation from the fx?

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on January 30, 2019, 11:10:16 pm
Looking good Si,hows the circulation from the fx?

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Hard to say at the minute as I’m running the u3 internal for most of my circulation. On its own I don’t think it’s got enough power to agitate the surface the full length and due to how it clips on, it’s pretty low down under the surface and the pipes have to be angled up to much to reach the far end. I bought a 1” 90 degree barb to make it single exit instead of the twin output and that made it into a beast. Too much with the u3 as well, but I may use the single output when I eventually remove the internal (using it to cycle new sponges for quarantine tanks at the mo).

The thing that most helped the flow is the tetra aps 400 air pump and 2 12” air stones. One at either end of the tank means water is circulated and all the plants move when it’s on (even at about 50% flow/ air output). I have it come on 3 times a day for about 3 hrs at a time. Lifts all the crap off the substrate without disturbing the sand and the filter pushes it towards the fx6 intake. Took a few days of cloudy water, but now the water is clear and the system seems to work well. Plus the sterbai like playing in the bubbles and they seem to spawn more when it comes on and the tank is churning up nicely.


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Stephen on January 31, 2019, 11:24:29 am
That tank looks really good Si  *applause*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on February 06, 2019, 08:21:46 pm
These two are shaping up nicely.

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The smaller one has odd eyes and I’m not sure how well it can see. I think I’ll add the big one to the main tank first after quarantine is over and keep the small one back to feed it up. Although is there a risk of territory wars if I do that? Not sure on genders. Apparently they are very difficult to sex and best to just see if they pair up. Unless anyone wants to throw some guesses out?

Hope you like em :) 


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: VC on February 06, 2019, 08:40:00 pm
Wow they’re so pretty!
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: piker on February 07, 2019, 07:49:22 am
Nice colouring

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on February 07, 2019, 08:05:41 am
It'll be harder to sex them as they're double-morphs aren't they?
Electric blue balloons?
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on February 08, 2019, 06:52:17 am
It'll be harder to sex them as they're double-morphs aren't they?
Electric blue balloons?

I believe so. Just wait and see then?


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on February 08, 2019, 08:41:51 am
I think you'll have to check the vents, the morphs look even more similar than the true blue rams.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on February 09, 2019, 07:40:21 pm
I think you'll have to check the vents, the morphs look even more similar than the true blue rams.

There's a decent size difference and if that doesn't change I'd assume one is male and one female. I'm not too bothered if I have a pair or not, just interested more than anything. I shall wait and see.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on February 09, 2019, 07:51:18 pm
Today I did a water change on the big tank. Had a deep-clean and unearthed some hiding muck, so glad I did. I also had a cardinal tetra go missing this week and found his remains stuck to the filter intake around the back. This was the main reason I was deep cleaning and glad I removed his rotten body. Poor thing. Overall though the tank is doing well. When I moved the shrimp tank in December, I put some wood with moss in the big tank. Today I found a small shrimp while cleaning. Not seen him before and he's done well to survive. Pleased with that.

I also made the decision to add my new honey gourami to the main tank. The 2 males were getting a bit angsty and I thought rather than 2/3 females getting pestered I'd add all 6 ladies at once to spread the attention and dissipate any aggression. Having 7 yellows in there has certainly brightened up the tank. The captain has coloured up and is chasing them and the yellow male is schooling with them. The sterbai cory are giddy and spawning. The cardinals (only 6 left) are now out and about. I think despite them being 'dither' fish, the honey's are acting as dither fish for them. Finally the tank actually looks like it has some fish in it!

I'll be keeping an eye on parameters this week with such a large addition of fish, but I don't intend to feed any extra as such, so the filter should be fine.

In quarantine the blue rams and remaining cardinals are doing well after the 3rd course of meds. Deffo going to give them extra time before any go in the main tank though, just to be on the safe side. 

Finally starting to feel good about the big tank looking 'full'.  :)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on February 10, 2019, 09:44:04 am
Glad it's coming back together. :)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on February 10, 2019, 05:55:27 pm
Sunday Photos.

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The captain (captain blue-beard) is certainly living up to his name in his full breeding dress. He's still the most illusive of all the fish. Hides in the shadows before briefly sprinting around the tank, then back behind the filter intake and back to nest building (hence the pants photo of him).

Panaqolus is looking great. Can't believe how quick he's grown and thankfully kept his colours well.

Not all photos are perfect, but hopefully they'll brighten someones Sunday evening.

Enjoy.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: VC on February 10, 2019, 09:37:37 pm
They all look great! Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gingerlove05 on February 10, 2019, 11:15:58 pm
Very nice Si :)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Stephen on February 10, 2019, 11:26:34 pm
They all look lovely  thumbsup2
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on February 11, 2019, 08:56:58 am
Very nice. :)
From these pics I'd guess the rams are both males of different ages and colour morphs.......but I am rubbish with cichlid ids. ;)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Feliss on February 11, 2019, 09:17:05 am
nice photos!
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on February 11, 2019, 09:29:48 pm
Thanks everybody. Glad you liked 'em :)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on February 26, 2019, 11:07:47 am
Today I’ve started the steady process of moving fish downstairs from the quarantine tank into the main tank.

I’ve started with the large ram and 5 cardinals. Hoping leaving the smaller ram upstairs will give him a bit more time to bulk up before he gets in with the gourami.

Going to keep adding a few cardinals every week. Exciting times. Been a long old quarantining!


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gingerlove05 on February 26, 2019, 12:01:30 pm
Good stuff :)
Don’t forget pics once you’ve moved them over  *grin*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on March 13, 2019, 12:54:03 pm
Last night I had to deal with the effects of storm David, or Neville or Keith? (I forget what they called it).

Regardless, it cut all my power from 6.30pm until 4.20am. I ended up driving to my sister house for bottles of hot water (to float) to help keep the water warm and wrapped all tank in duvets and blankets.

Once everything came on at 4.20 this morning I reset all tanks and checked everything was working.

All looks good so far, but my main concern is the canister filter on the shrimp tank as I'm worried the power outtage would've depleted it of oxygen and maybe killed any shrimp living in it.

Water tests, filter stripping and maybe water changes are the order of the day. Pain in the bum, but no visual casualties as yet. Hope all the bacteria held on.

Weather wasn't even bad here, but most of my postcode was blacked out for the evening/ night.

Best crack on with some checks and maintenance! Bloody weather...
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gingerlove05 on March 13, 2019, 03:33:37 pm
This one is “Gareth”   *grin*
Hope you get everything sorted and everyone and everything  is ok.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on March 14, 2019, 08:10:49 am
Fingers crossed everything is alright.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on March 23, 2019, 06:49:41 pm
Cheers guys.

Only lost one cardinal tetra and everyone else seemed ok innitially. It was one of the biggest/ oldest, so may well have been on it's way out anyway. Sadly a couple of days ago my small balloon ram died too (in quarantine tank). Checked the water and there was a small ammonia spike. Gutted as I'm pretty sure I had a M/F pair in the end. Massive water changes and everything seems ok now. Wondering if a tetra died somewhere to cause the spike, but not sure if there was 17 or 18 cardinals originally.

Today was water change day for everyone. Shrimp tank is cool, main tank is good and there's still 11 cardinals upstairs in the small tank. I moved another 6 cardinals into the main tank meaning there's no (I'm pretty sure) 32. They started shoaling last week and the more I add, the better the display. So glad I stuck to just having 1 type of tetra and went for these rather than something bigger. The school/ shoal adds another total dimension to how the tank looks and how relaxing it is. I feel really lucky to have the space to allow this to happen. I'll get a video in the next couple of weeks once they're all in.

Long-term I'm tempted to downsize the sterbai collection a bit. I have 30ish at the moment and don't really see them often until feeding time. The young ones are pretty active, but the adults are pretty lazy. Think there's too many hiding spots for them to bother. I may re-use their bioload for even more cardinals or maybe breed more sterbai and have 30 babies rather than so many adults. I'll have a think on this one. I may also get some electric blue rams in the future as I saw some nice big ones in a shop the other day. Unless I find something else even cooler instead.

Been a mixed week, but overall positive. Most survived the power outtage and the big tank is looking awesome. :)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on March 23, 2019, 07:10:34 pm
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Doesn’t capture the schooling effect, but you get the idea on numbers for now :)


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Stephen on March 23, 2019, 07:32:28 pm
The cardinal tetra look great.
They and their cousins (neons & green neons) always look better in big groups.
Good photos too  *grin*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Lucyd on March 23, 2019, 08:26:22 pm
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Doesn’t capture the schooling effect, but you get the idea on numbers for now :)


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They look stunning
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Kwak Rider on March 23, 2019, 09:38:48 pm
The cardinals look fantastic with the contrast of the plants and black background, well done!
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Pleco Fan on March 23, 2019, 10:09:07 pm
Haven't had chance to read all 40 paged yet, but the end result looks amazing, I take it your using Co2.  *applause*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on March 24, 2019, 08:09:59 am
Nice pics Si. :)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on March 24, 2019, 08:52:56 am
Haven't had chance to read all 40 paged yet, but the end result looks amazing, I take it your using Co2.  *applause*

Thanks everyone.

No, no CO2. I keep things super low maintenance and very simple. I tend to ignore the ‘you must use’ quotes for most things and just experiment with what is minimal effort, but still gives excellent results (in my opinion). I restrict myself to certain plants, but I love my set up as-is so no need to complicate things :)


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Pleco Fan on March 24, 2019, 10:12:17 am
OK no added Co2 but to get results like that you must be adding something, I've just started using Easycarbo and Profito I'll be happy if I can keep my plant alive!  *blink*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: piker on March 24, 2019, 06:47:16 pm
Looking good si,big number of cardinals looks great.

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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on March 24, 2019, 10:03:28 pm
OK no added Co2 but to get results like that you must be adding something, I've just started using Easycarbo and Profito I'll be happy if I can keep my plant alive!  *blink*

I put a handful of root tabs in when set up, but that’s it. Just the fish waste feeds the plants. All about balance of lights, fish numbers and plant numbers/ size. Don’t add anything else. Get the right plants and maintenance is pretty easy, just how I like it.


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on March 30, 2019, 10:44:26 pm
https://youtu.be/o1BwdkYUvlM

Quick update video. All the cardinals added now. Nothing left in quarantine.


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Stephen on March 30, 2019, 11:02:55 pm
https://youtu.be/o1BwdkYUvlM

Quick update video. All the cardinals added now. Nothing left in quarantine.
Nice video  thumbsup2 (I'm subscribed)  *grin*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Gingerlove05 on March 30, 2019, 11:20:49 pm
Very nice :)
I always thought they were called cardinals for their red? ;) *grin*
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on March 31, 2019, 09:42:48 am
Very nice Si. :)
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on June 26, 2019, 06:03:40 pm
Been a while since I updated the big tank log. Too busy pond building.

Overall the tank is doing well, but I feel like changes are required to make it even better.

Current stock:
40 cardinal tetras
31 sterbai
7 honey gourami
Panqulous sp
Golden ancistrus
Ballon ram
Malaysian trumpet snails

Options I’m considering:

1- add 40 more cardinals
2- add a mix of 40 cardinals and rummy nose tetras
3- add a selection of rams- x2 electric blue; x2 golden, x2 German, plus a few cardinals
4- add 6/7 female beta fish

(If the bioload gets too much I’ll probably reduce sterbai numbers)

Main issues:

1- At the moment the tetras hide at the opposite end of the tank to the fx6 output. Can hardly see them in the Amazon swords. Read a few topics about them hiding and flow seems to be the issue. I’ve move the output nozzles and they do seem to be creeping out a bit more today. Hoping that solves the issue.

2- I never see the sterbai. When I had my old 4 foot tank and about 12 sterbai they’d dance up and down the front of the glass a lot. Always out and active. I only ever see about 3/4 at once now unless it’s feeding time. Annoying as I have so many. I was hoping theyd shoal like in the wild. I’m tempted to remove a lot, of not all of the plants so there’s less hiding places. Don’t want to stress them out, but would be interesting to see what happened with just wood and few small rocks.

3- main issue, as above, I’ve a lot of fish, but they all hide lots!

Any thoughts on any of the above ideas/ suggestions appreciated.


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on July 02, 2019, 08:57:05 am
I'd go with more tetras and see if that brings the corys out.
Since I've had the emperors the C048s come out more.....
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on July 24, 2019, 11:44:09 am
I'd go with more tetras and see if that brings the corys out.
Since I've had the emperors the C048s come out more.....


Thanks Ian.

I had a play at a rescape, which ended up just removing pretty much all the moss and a few other little plants. Results were the tetras started swimming around the tank more. The sterbai come out a little bit more, but I think more tetras are the way forward (when I have space to breed/ raise/ quarantine more).

Question I do have is, would goldfish be ok in the big tank?

I have kept some fry from the pond fish and currently raising some inside in an Unheated tank, but at about 4 weeks old, one is already an inch and looking like a baby goldfish (same size as my smaller cardinal tetras) rather than eyes with a tail. The tank seems to be between 22-24c most of the time. With today’s heatwave it’s gone over 26. Google tells me goldfish can live up to 30c and my main tank is 26-27c most of the time.

I’m wondering if I can move the biggest one or two ‘fry’ into the big tropical tank to raise them up and grow them on to give the smaller fry a better chance of growing.

Any issues with this plan? Once they get to about 2 inches they’ll go back into the upstairs tank and be gradually cooled before returning to the pond they started in. It’ll be another week or two before this happens so I can get them used to flake food etc first.

Good idea? Bad idea? Thoughts/ experience appreciated.


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Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on July 25, 2019, 08:05:22 am
Remember that goldies will eat smaller fish.
The warmer the temp the quicker the metabolism, so, for growing-on fry I would suggest it's not a good idea for the development of all the internals.
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: Si4geckos on July 26, 2019, 09:50:59 pm
Remember that goldies will eat smaller fish.
The warmer the temp the quicker the metabolism, so, for growing-on fry I would suggest it's not a good idea for the development of all the internals.

How big would a goldfish have to be before it ate a cardinal do you think?

I was thinking 2 inches before I removed them as the honey gourami, etc are that size? Or doe goldies have much bigger mouths? Even the babies do seem to have a big gob on them!
Title: Re: Tank Evolution
Post by: plankton on July 27, 2019, 09:27:43 am
If it goes in the mouth it gets eaten, just be careful.
I'd still be worried about the internals growing too quickly in the warmer water.......