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Title: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on December 29, 2018, 12:52:13 pm
Hello everyone! Hope you've all had a lovely Christmas.

Now that the busiest month of the year is out of the way, I can finally get back to the poor empty tank that's been waiting for some attention! Here's the empty tank:

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And here are some goodies I have recently purchased:

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Also waiting for some hardscape from aquarium gardens (thanks for the discount!)
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Gingerlove05 on December 29, 2018, 01:30:16 pm
Looks like a good start :) (i have most of that in my cupboard lol)
What are you planning on keeping?
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on December 29, 2018, 02:17:37 pm
Thank you. The Kleen Off ammonia has since arrived for the fishless cycle! I am also waiting for my siphon.

I am still in research / homework phase, but from what I've seen so far (I have soft water)...

Sterbai cory - ridiculously cute. These would be my 'must have' fish! How many would you recommend for a comfortable school (I was thinking 10-14?)

I intend to get a school of tetras for the middle layer. Rummy nose, lemon and cardinal apparently have similar water parameter needs to the cories. The rummies would be my preferred choice. Again, not sure how many.

One 'show piece' fish. I haven't gotten around to researching these properly yet so any recommendations are welcomed. Ideally I would like something that is hardy and peaceful, and would not need to be part of a school/group. I've heard certain gourami could be viable?

Please correct me if I'm mistaken!

EDIT: I also like the look of shrimp! Would these be viable in the above set up!?
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Catzilla on December 29, 2018, 04:49:25 pm
Hi VC. Looks like a great tank.

I’m at a similar stage to you. Still setting up and thinking about fish. My tank is 265 ltrs but that’s 65 of sump. I have soft water too, so was also thinking about sterbai, a tetra of some kind, maybe green neons. I’d also love to keep shrimp but not sure how well they will fair in a mixed tank. I’ve done a lot of reading and so far I think my choices are either large types of shrimp, so they aren’t eaten. I’m unsure if they are suited to soft water but like amano or bamboo. I haven’t asked google that question as of yet. I’m sure I read that cherry red are hardy and do well in varied set ups. However, again that’s just google talking. Maybe someone else will be able to give some real world experience advice? I think with cherry if you’re able to add them pre fish they may settle in and after a few months make a small colony. However I’m sure when fish are added some of the shrimplets will be preyed on.
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: plankton on December 30, 2018, 12:33:20 pm
Sterbais and rummies would be a good choice as they can both take warmer water.
If your water is soft and acidic, then you could also look at blue rams as a "centrepiece" for the same temperature as a pair shouldn't be too aggressive in a bigger tank. Try to source either British or Dutch bred, they tend not to have the iridovirus that a lot of the others arrive with (due to the conditions they're bred in). Czech, German and Far Eastern farms tend to use the med baths. :(
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on December 30, 2018, 02:01:15 pm
@catzilla

Thanks for the tip, I'll read up more on their specific conditions to see if they're actually feasible.

@plankton

Thanks for the suggestion. Would it be easy to source the types you've specified. Also not sure about the "shouldn't be too aggressive" part!  *grin*
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Stephen on December 30, 2018, 03:12:55 pm
A nice shoal of rummy-nose tetra always looks good.
The sterbai cory are fine at 25C as are the rummy. A nice group of 9 or 12 cory would be good.
You could also add a nice group of cardinal tetra, the blue/red colouration always looks good, again they are fine at 25C.
As a feature fish then south American peaceful cichlids are good.
Bolivian rams (Mikrogeophagus altispinosus), Cupid cichlids (Biotodoma cupido) and Keyhole Cichlid (Cleithracara maronii) are all fine at 25C.

Just a thought
All the best
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on January 04, 2019, 03:42:13 pm
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Hardscape arrived today.

Also some very large buckets!

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Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Si4geckos on January 04, 2019, 08:33:40 pm
Here's my 4ft 200 litre tank in December.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRi1h1ayFeM

Excuse the mess and lack of substrate, as the title suggests, I was emptying in and closing it down (to move house to my 574L tank!).

In the video I have about 25 stebai (some albino) 16 cardinal tetra, 2 yellow honey gourami, a normal honey gourami and a golden ancistrus pleco.

I have soft water. Kept the tank around 26C.

Honey gourami's (especially the yellows) make a great peaceful centre piece fish as they contrast the others so much. I've also just got a pair of electric blue balloom rams, but not sure how they'll do yet as they've only been in quarantine for 5 days.

Thought it's give you an idea of how it'll look. Where in the country are you? I could keep some sterbai eggs and hatch them for you if interested/close? Generally sell babies for £3 each if you buy a few. I have about 32 sterbai in my big tank now so I generally get eggs once a week.

My thread in tank logs 'Tank Evolution' probably has lots of info and better pictures if you want to know more.

Also I've kept some crystal red shrimp alive in with all those fish too. Only adult sized ones. I have a sepearte tank I use for breeding the shrimp. Hope that helps.
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on January 04, 2019, 10:01:51 pm
I actually really like the simple layout of that tank. Hopefully mine will look something like that as I am going for low budget, low maintenance plants.

The fish are all great too. I'm in Manchester - thank you very much for the offer! I'm taking things very slowly so not sure when I'll actually get to the adding fish stage! But if you still have lots of Sterbai when the time is right I'd be interested.

The honey gourami are cute - are they all one gender? I did like the look of the blue dwarf gourami but read they are commonly susceptible to a virus. So honey it is!

Thanks for the shrimp heads up too. If they were to get eaten would it be the gourami that does it?


Now to research the plants! Aquarium gardens, here I come!


Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Si4geckos on January 04, 2019, 11:30:37 pm
I actually really like the simple layout of that tank. Hopefully mine will look something like that as I am going for low budget, low maintenance plants.

The fish are all great too. I'm in Manchester - thank you very much for the offer! I'm taking things very slowly so not sure when I'll actually get to the adding fish stage! But if you still have lots of Sterbai when the time is right I'd be interested.

The honey gourami are cute - are they all one gender? I did like the look of the blue dwarf gourami but read they are commonly susceptible to a virus. So honey it is!

Thanks for the shrimp heads up too. If they were to get eaten would it be the gourami that does it?


Now to research the plants! Aquarium gardens, here I come!

I'm in Manchester (Oldham/ Saddleworth area). I generally sell the sterbai at least 2/3 months of age and they do well in a slightly more established aquarium. I'd get the tetras and gourami first, then go for the sterbai once any bugs have been ironed out and your filters, etc are all running well. Don't know where in Manchester you are, but fish shops worth visiting are Abyss aquatic warehouse in stockport, maindenhead aquatics in ashton (my local one- both are expensive, but maidenhead generally has nice quality and abyss a good range) and if you fancy a journey out, Pier aquatics near Wigan I think, is amazing! Have some proper rare stuff.

All my honey gourami are male. Had a female, but she sadly died after breeding. She was a beaut too. They look drab as anything in the shops, but totally change colour at home and settled. They're amazing colour-changing fish when they put their breeding display dress on. Tried dwarf gourami twice but neither last more than a few weeks.

In terms of shrimp, if they can fit them in their mouths, any fish will eat a shrimp. Not seen it happen though and no fish seem to pay any attention to them. I've read if they grow up in a tank with them from a young age, they just get used to them. If they've not seen one before, they could be overly 'exploratory' and end up hurting the shrimp. They do hide pretty well in my big tank and seem to survive ok.

Here's a video of my old tank with plants and more gourami in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNqXHnNc5U8

As you can see, the amazon sword on the left got a bit out of control. Everything else in there is a basic, low light, no CO2 plant, planted in plain sand with a couple of root tabs. I never saw the need for expensive substrate and loads of additives and CO2 systems. But each to their own....
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on January 05, 2019, 12:14:36 pm
Thank you for the tips! That’s very helpful.

This morning I washed the sand. Actually blasted with the hose is probably more appropriate! I did this 10 times and the water is running clear when I tip the bucket. The sand also settles quickly after agitation by hand so I think first washed batch is good to go!

Quick question: I can just add this in and then dechlorinate once I’m ready to fill up tank and start filter, right? Or should I add some to washed sand bucket?

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Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on January 05, 2019, 01:13:59 pm
I have 'pimped' my Fluval 306 filter. All mechanical filtration pads at the bottom (coarse and fine pads), two trays of filter media and carbon removed. Attached to tank, hope it's all tight enough. Twas very fiddly!

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I have added the cleaned sand. Water is slightly cloudy but I guess it needs time to settle. Hope it's worth the back ache!

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And now I have my hardscape (from Aquarium Gardens) soaking in the buckets. Shoutout to the buckets for being so useful.  *grin*

I'm glad I am soaking it though since the driftwood has dirtied the water in the bucket.

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Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: plankton on January 06, 2019, 10:52:46 am
Just use the conditioner after you've set it up and filled it.
You'll need to condition for the whole volume, so don't waste any prior to that. ;) :)
The "dirt" from the wood is the tannins, which act as an antiseptic for fish, so don't worry about that.
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on January 06, 2019, 11:44:19 am
Yeah I had a look at some of the tannin related posts on here. Lots of people who like them!

I did find a stowaway bug though. Released him/her outside.

Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on January 10, 2019, 09:17:46 pm
Hello all. It's time to start plant shopping, and yes I am going to use aquarium gardens based on reviews!

If I'm honest I'm not sure where to start and the more I look at aquascaping videos the more overwhelmed I get.

I have sat down and written some of the beginner plants I like the look of from AG website. I have a rough plan (I think!) Any comments / experiences / recommendations are welcomed. I have a sand substrate but have flourish root tabs.

Background: Vallisneria Spiralis or Echinodorus bleheri (Amazon Sword). Anyone had luck with Echinodrus harbich?

Midground: Bacopa Caroliniana (baby's tears)

Hardscape attachments (I guess this counts as midscape too?): Anubias Nana / Golden Nana / Barteri
Vesicularis dubyana (java moss)
Microsorum pteropus (java fern)

Foreground: Cryptocoryne Wendtii / Nevellii / Beckettii - with these plants I assume they won't grow too tall if they're classed as foreground?

Sagittaria subulata - would this work in a sand substrate and is it a carpet style plant?



I guess my overall question is: is it ok to have a mixture of different plants, pick and mix style?!

Also I'm going for beginner, low budget set up (i.e. no CO2). I don't mind using liquid CO2 or liquid fertilizers as long as it isn't something that is going to cost me a lot.

Thank you!
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: plankton on January 12, 2019, 10:13:20 am
My cryptocoryne wendtii grows quite tall, it's ok in the corners though.
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on January 12, 2019, 02:03:51 pm
My cryptocoryne wendtii grows quite tall, it's ok in the corners though.

So it'd be more appropriate towards back or behind hardscape?
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Rdel on January 12, 2019, 02:44:51 pm

As a feature fish then south American peaceful cichlids are good.
Bolivian rams (Mikrogeophagus altispinosus), Cupid cichlids (Biotodoma cupido) and Keyhole Cichlid (Cleithracara maronii) are all fine at 25C.


If you could only choose one of those cichlids Stephen which would it be? Which has the best personality and best to watch?
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on January 12, 2019, 03:38:48 pm
I have ordered some plants from Aquarium Gardens! Woohoo!

All beginner plants that claim are low tech.

Do people recommend adding liquid CO2 and / or fertilizers too? If so, which ones are good please?

Thank you!
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Rdel on January 12, 2019, 03:43:17 pm
I was having problems with my plants going bad and brown faded leaves ect and Stephen recommended easy-life root sticks to me that I've found have made a big difference to the health of my plants.

Not had to cut of any decaying leaves since.
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: plankton on January 13, 2019, 09:49:15 am
My cryptocoryne wendtii grows quite tall, it's ok in the corners though.

So it'd be more appropriate towards back or behind hardscape?
I'd say so. :)
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on January 13, 2019, 11:26:35 am
Thanks for the tip! I’m getting Wendtii and Nevellii crypts.

I’m really excited / nervous about actually planting everything. My homework this week is to watch YouTube videos on where and how to plant / glue each one.

Having fun arranging the hardscape though. It’s not in the tank yet, but I’m going to attempt a triangle composition a third from left hand side. Something along the lines of this:

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I woodn’t say it’s set in stone though. (Sorry!)

Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: plankton on January 14, 2019, 07:30:44 am
Good idea. :)
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on January 19, 2019, 07:52:42 pm
Hello all!

Exciting / nerve-wracking day! My plants arrived (thanks Aquarium Gardens):

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I've glued and planted them accordingly (I hope):

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Rocks have Java moss on them.
Driftwood has Java fern and Anubias nana.
There are Vallisnera spiralis and Amazon swords towards back.
Some Cryptocoryne Wendtii and Nevelli in mid ground.
And finally some Sagittaria subulata at the front.

Heater and Filter both plugged in and ready to go!

Seachem Prime added to water. Root tabs going into substrate.

Anything else I need to do before right now? I intend to start the fishless cycle tomorrow evening.

I have an Eheim air pump 200 but I'll have to do that during the week too.

Any opinions on layout welcomed! Hope you're having a great weekend so far.
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on January 19, 2019, 08:09:43 pm
Also - the bubbles will disappear in time, right?  *grin*
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Gingerlove05 on January 19, 2019, 09:14:02 pm
Nice :) i imagine you will add more to it as you go, but i quite like the “island” of hardscape idea :)
Yes the bubbles will disappear, its just the water settling in and it having plenty of oxygen etc
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Si4geckos on January 19, 2019, 09:15:23 pm
Also - the bubbles will disappear in time, right?  *grin*

They will clear in a few days on you can just rub em off.

Plants look good.

Have you decided on stocking yet?
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on January 19, 2019, 09:38:36 pm
Nice :) i imagine you will add more to it as you go, but i quite like the “island” of hardscape idea :)
Yes the bubbles will disappear, its just the water settling in and it having plenty of oxygen etc

Yeah I like the island type set up! There is a lot of space on the right hand side but I’ll fill that only if it looks unblanced (once all the plants have had time to grow out a bit). Like you said though I can always add more if needs be.

Also - the bubbles will disappear in time, right?  *grin*

They will clear in a few days on you can just rub em off.

Plants look good.

Have you decided on stocking yet?

Thank you! Once cycled I’m going to start with a large school of tetras. As to which ones I’m still not 100% sure. I made another post about tetras to find out which ones are often overlooked as I don’t want bog standard neons!

I would like to have some sterbai corydoras one day and maybe honey gourami or cherry barbs.
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on January 19, 2019, 10:10:01 pm
Sorry forgot to ask - I have seachem flourish and easylife easycarbo for my fertiliser / CO2. Do I start that treatment now? Thanks
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Stephen on January 20, 2019, 12:51:51 am

If you could only choose one of those cichlids Stephen which would it be? Which has the best personality and best to watch?
I apologise for the delay in replying.

All those cichlids are lovely and in different ways.
If you want to observe some spawning then maybe the Keyhole cichlids, as long as there is a flattish stone for them to clean and lay eggs on.

Hello all!

Exciting / nerve-wracking day! My plants arrived (thanks Aquarium Gardens):

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The plants look good and healthy as always from Aquarium Gardens.
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on January 21, 2019, 08:20:53 pm
I’ve tested my tap water to get familiar with the test kit. Is this used as a baseline or the water in the aquarium (to which there are live plants, substrate, hardscspe, seachem prime, seachem flourish and easylife easy carbo)?

Will the above affect the water parameters?

The results of tap water are as follows:

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Ammonia, nitrite and nitrate = 0ppm

The pH I found a little more difficult (it’s likely I’m overthinking things):

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6.6!? My other half said 7. I’ve looked in different locations and can’t make mind up! Maybe go with 6.8!?

I intend to start the fishless cycle. I’ve used the calculator but just wanted to confirm: add required amount and test 24 hours later, right?

Thank you.
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Gingerlove05 on January 21, 2019, 09:18:52 pm
Yep thats your baseline, and a good one too   *grin*
The substrate might affect the ph as would any wood that is still leaching tanins (the substrate might raise or lower it depending on what it is, and tanins will lower the ph). The substrate might affect the hardness. But it shouldnt really interfere with the cycle and neither should anything else.
To read the ph try looking down through the tube onto the card, it might guve you a better idea ;)
As for starting the cycle, spot on  *grin*
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on January 21, 2019, 09:26:44 pm
Yep thats your baseline, and a good one too   *grin*
The substrate might affect the ph as would any wood that is still leaching tanins (the substrate might raise or lower it depending on what it is, and tanins will lower the ph). The substrate might affect the hardness. But it shouldnt really interfere with the cycle and neither should anything else.
To read the ph try looking down through the tube onto the card, it might guve you a better idea ;)
As for starting the cycle, spot on  *grin*

Thank you so much for the reply, put my mind to rest! I’ll add ammonia tomorrow evening as it’s bedtime now!

Also I’ve fitted check valves on to my Eheim 200 air pump and tested them out. They’re really cool! Just need to figure out where I want the sprays.
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Gingerlove05 on January 21, 2019, 10:11:17 pm
I have the 400  *grin* it runs the 2 ehiem “air stones” in my 180l and my hidden treasure chest bubbler in my 100l. They’re really quiet pumps :)
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on January 22, 2019, 08:34:28 pm
Ammonia added! I’m excited to start the cycle.

Also put in the air pumps (wish I did this before filling tank!)

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Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on January 24, 2019, 09:36:31 pm
Already managed to break one of the API test tubes.  *oops*
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Gingerlove05 on January 24, 2019, 10:19:20 pm
Lol dont worry i only have 2 left now  *grin*
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on January 25, 2019, 07:25:57 pm
Lol dont worry i only have 2 left now  *grin*

Thanks! I feel much better now!  *grin*
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on January 26, 2019, 11:24:50 am
Went to [email protected] this morning (to take kitties to vets) and managed to get a quick look at the fish. I’m aware that they don’t have as good a reputation as they might like, but from what I saw the fish tanks were clean and I didn’t see any dead fish. However I also see how easy it would be for someone who hasn’t done their homework to buy something based on appearance. For example the shubunkins were next to fancy goldfish, and having a selection of different gourami without saying which ones were for beginners...etc.

Anyway I have underestimated how small some of these fish actually are! I liked the look of silver tip tetras, black neons and black phantoms. They had the rummy noses and lemons but understandably they were a bit washed out.

They also had lots of angel fish and sharks which looked cool (but won’t be going in my tank anytime soon!)
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Si4geckos on January 26, 2019, 11:51:11 am
I usually have a look in PAH, then if there's any fish I like, I find somewhere else I trust better to get better examples and healthier fish from.

When you say they're small in the shop, they'll probably double in size at least depending on what you're getting. Maidenhead aquatics seem to have decent size/adult (ish) fish in a lot of their stores. Or if you go somewhere like Pier aquatics in Wigan, they seem to have the same fish at different ages. So you see a cute little 1.5 inch pleco in a tank, then a few tanks down there's an adult over a foot long! Good to see what you're getting yourself into.

Sometimes fish are washed out when they're young, but a lot of PAH stock will never colour up (low quality stock) from what I've seen. I always buy the best looking fish in a shop. They better look amazing in the shop, then I know they'll be super bright once settled in. Don't very afraid to be very picky about which fish you get. If the shop is decent they won't mind. Just my opinion...
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on January 26, 2019, 02:20:04 pm
I usually have a look in PAH, then if there's any fish I like, I find somewhere else I trust better to get better examples and healthier fish from.

When you say they're small in the shop, they'll probably double in size at least depending on what you're getting. Maidenhead aquatics seem to have decent size/adult (ish) fish in a lot of their stores. Or if you go somewhere like Pier aquatics in Wigan, they seem to have the same fish at different ages. So you see a cute little 1.5 inch pleco in a tank, then a few tanks down there's an adult over a foot long! Good to see what you're getting yourself into.

Sometimes fish are washed out when they're young, but a lot of PAH stock will never colour up (low quality stock) from what I've seen. I always buy the best looking fish in a shop. They better look amazing in the shop, then I know they'll be super bright once settled in. Don't very afraid to be very picky about which fish you get. If the shop is decent they won't mind. Just my opinion...

Good advice! I was planning on doing just that - looking at the types I like and then getting them somewhere more reputable.

And I agree about knowing potential sizes. They had lots of red tailed sharks in one tank which to anyone who didn’t know of them, probably look like cute little fish!

I know tetras are small (from reading about them) but actuallly seeing them was a different story! I am definitely going to get a large school. Think I have the room for at least 20?
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Gingerlove05 on January 26, 2019, 05:02:47 pm
As Si mentioned just remember any fish you see in store will likely be young so they will grow, so do your research on any species you might like ;)
Some fish maybe small but they can swim very fast, and if they dont have the room to exert some of this energy they can become stressed because of lack of room. Larger scools do help with tetras as they are a shoaling species :)
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on February 01, 2019, 06:25:45 pm
Still in high ammonia phase. Just wondering if adding more hardscape / plants will affect cycle? Thank you.
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Gingerlove05 on February 01, 2019, 06:47:26 pm
No it shouldnt affect the cycle. If yor adding any rocks you can always check to see if they will leech anything by dropping a bit of vinegar on them and seeing if they fizz.
The plants might take up some of the ammonia but it shouldnt stop the bacteria colonising (you would need a huge amount of plants for that i believe).
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on February 03, 2019, 06:18:10 pm
Just done some plant maintenance and it’s looking more green!definitely going to fill more of the tank with plants and a couple of pieces of hardscape.

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Anyone have any experience of using water sprite as a floating plant?
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on February 05, 2019, 07:02:59 pm
Exciting development! Two weeks after adding 4ppm Ammonia I’ve just tested water and there’s finally some changes!

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I hope I’m reading correctly but I see it as pH 6.4, NH3 0.25 and NO2- 2.0.

My understanding is that when ammonia is zero, top up to 2ppm and test until ammonia and nitrites are zero and there are nitrates present?

Also should I be worried that the pH has become quite acidic? Tap water pH is 7.0. There is driftwood which has leeched some tannins and I am using easy carbo and fluorite fertilisers.

Edit: the temp is 26oC.
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Gingerlove05 on February 05, 2019, 07:11:22 pm
Good stuff :)
The ph should be ok as long as it stays stable, it might rise again when the tanins finish leeching out.
But your right, wait for ammonia to hit 0ppm and top back up to 2ppm, nitrites will remain high for around 10 days or more. Once the ammonia is  dropping to 0ppm in 24hours and nitrite is at 0ppm you can do a large water change and then stock :)
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on February 05, 2019, 07:31:32 pm
Good stuff :)
The ph should be ok as long as it stays stable, it might rise again when the tanins finish leeching out.
But your right, wait for ammonia to hit 0ppm and top back up to 2ppm, nitrites will remain high for around 10 days or more. Once the ammonia is  dropping to 0ppm in 24hours and nitrite is at 0ppm you can do a large water change and then stock :)

Thank you for your help!
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on February 06, 2019, 06:52:21 pm
Ammonia at zero! Next phase of cycle has begun.

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NH3 0, NO2- 5.0, NO3- 20 (I think!)

Ammonia topped up to 2ppm.
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Gingerlove05 on February 06, 2019, 08:15:46 pm
Nice :)
Just remember to top the ammonia back up ;)
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Feliss on February 09, 2019, 02:26:05 pm
I did try water sprite as a floater but I didn't really like it as one. To me it looked better planted. It also didn't seem to do too well in my tank as a floater and better planted. But all of it eventually melted away!
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on February 10, 2019, 12:32:14 am
Ah ok thanks for the feedback! It’s currently out of stock in aquarium gardens anyway!

Another question: if I’ve cycled fishlessly with 4ppm ammonia does that mean I can add all my stock in one sitting? (Tetras and corydoras - maybe a honey gourami as showpiece?)
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Gingerlove05 on February 10, 2019, 12:40:31 am
Yep :)
Normally you start with 4ppm and then reduce to 2ppm once things start moving. But either way it means the bacteria that deal with the fish wastes etc will be in an abundance.
Although there is the belief there are a number of other processes that go on besides just the “cycle” itself before a tank is mature, but its just a belief nothing concrete.
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: thebendyfox on February 10, 2019, 08:28:25 am
Ah ok thanks for the feedback! It’s currently out of stock in aquarium gardens anyway!

Another question: if I’ve cycled fishlessly with 4ppm ammonia does that mean I can add all my stock in one sitting? (Tetras and corydoras - maybe a honey gourami as showpiece?)

Yes - that’s the beauty of a fishless cycle in that it’s much more controllable and measurable than any other method, and as long as you are dosing ammonia properly and it’s all being processed in a 24hr period - you can then stick fully.


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Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on February 10, 2019, 08:31:30 am
Thank you!

I’m also now considering a pair of Bolivian rams instead of gourami. Been watching lots of videos on different fish and they seem like a ‘beginner’ fish. Correct me if I’m wrong of course!
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Stephen on February 10, 2019, 09:04:51 am
You have very soft water in Manchester (lucky you) but it is low in carbonates & bicarbonates.
If your pH has dropped then it is more than likely that your KH (carbonate hardness) has dropped, I would add some potassium bicarbonate otherwise the fishless cycle may stall (the beneficial bacteria love using up the carbonates & bicarbonates).

Baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) can be used instead but the sodium has no real use in an aquarium whilst the potassium (potassium bicarbonate) will be taken up by the plants.
How much bicarbonate? 7ml of either bicarbonate will raise the KH level by one in a 240L aquarium.
Dissolve the bicarbonate with tank water before adding to the tank.
Keep an eye on the pH as this will give an indication of your KH level, try to keep the pH slightly above pH7.0 during the cycle.
As a temporary measure you could do a 50% water change and then top up the ammonia to 2ppm, this will replenish some of the bicarbonates.

All the best
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on February 10, 2019, 09:46:53 am
Thank you. Is that just during cycle? I read on he article here that pH will fluctuate during cycle so didn’t think much of it.

Is potassium bicarbonate readily available? Or is it a specific product such as seachem?
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Stephen on February 10, 2019, 10:19:49 am
Thank you. Is that just during cycle? I read on he article here that pH will fluctuate during cycle so didn’t think much of it.

Is potassium bicarbonate readily available? Or is it a specific product such as seachem?
You should be fine after the cycle is complete when the beneficial bacteria have established; future weekly water changes will replenish the carbonates/bicarbonates.
Potassium bicarbonate is available from eBay and it's fairly cheap (Link (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Potassium-Bicarbonate-100g-250g-500g-1kg-Pharmaceutical-grade-Made-in-Germany/131360397894?hash=item1e95b09a46:m:mRDqQ1wnSKs-yRpKe22tQsQ:rk:8:pf:0)), I have this tub in my cupboard.
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on February 10, 2019, 11:32:19 am
I’ll keep testing the water and see how it is after the big water change post cycle.

It’s definitely in full force though. I’m topping up every other day. Just waiting for nitrites to start dropping.

Is seachem equilibrium a similar thing?
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Stephen on February 10, 2019, 11:34:50 am
I’ll keep testing the water and see how it is after the big water change post cycle.

It’s definitely in full force though. I’m topping up every other day. Just waiting for nitrites to start dropping.
Sounds promising  thumbsup3
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on February 10, 2019, 11:37:02 am
Stephen do you think Bolivian rams would be suitable for my beginner tank? I am going to add more plants and hardscape so it’s less bare on the bottom!
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Stephen on February 10, 2019, 01:02:31 pm
Stephen do you think Bolivian rams would be suitable for my beginner tank? I am going to add more plants and hardscape so it’s less bare on the bottom!
I think they would look great, they grow to a little over 3 inches and perfectly fine at anything from 23-26C (long-term). They'll love your soft water.
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on February 10, 2019, 07:38:01 pm
Just done my weekly plant pruning / maintenance. How do people do this without putting their arms in the tank!?

Obviously I wash my hands before but don’t see how it’s possible to not put hands in.

Last week thought the vallisneria was on its way out (especially since the water has become more acidic) but just looked and one plant in the corner has sprouted a couple of new shoots! The crypts are looking more healthy too thankfully!

On the java fern there were a few leaves covered in this:

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Is this some sort of algae or has some of the Java moss gotten brown and somehow attached to the leaves?
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Gingerlove05 on February 10, 2019, 09:24:27 pm
No idea, i always have my hands in the tank when doing maintenance.
How are you washing your hands? I dont use soap when washing my hands immediately before going into the tanks, just a lot of hot (as hot as i can take it ;)) water and i either use kitchen towel or my tank towel to dry them, so i dont drip [as much] water everywhere  *grin*
The roots on the java fern are signs of it spawning, if you leave them you will end up with a new plants growing off the leaves, once they’re big enough you can just snip them off and attach them and they’ll grow :)
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on February 10, 2019, 09:27:52 pm
Top tips as always, thank you Gingerlove05!
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Stephen on February 10, 2019, 11:25:26 pm
I too generally get my hands wet.
I usually do any plant trimming during a water change when the water level is much lower.
I either pick out the trimmings or use a net to scoop them out (or both).
As GL also states, I never use detergents when washing my hands before putting them in to the aquarium.
You can use long aquascaper's scissors if that's easier but I like to get my hands wet. I always put on a short-sleeve T-shirt so not to get any sleeves wet.  *grin*
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: _pjn312_ on February 11, 2019, 05:39:16 pm
As above - nothing wrong with getting a bit wet, plus my fish will rub around my fingers which is quite nice!
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Gingerlove05 on February 11, 2019, 05:51:06 pm
Lucky you! Jayne occasionally tries to eat mine!  roflmao
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on February 11, 2019, 08:26:26 pm
Thanks for reassurance! I’d just read that hands shouldn’t keep going in the tank and was worried I’d messed up before I’d even started!

Which fish is Jayne?
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: _pjn312_ on February 11, 2019, 08:37:46 pm
Oh no, Jayne is Iain's OH.....  *grin* *grin*
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Gingerlove05 on February 11, 2019, 09:26:28 pm
I wont tell my OH you said that PJN, she will find you and kill you  roflmao
This is Jayne:
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He’s an apistogramma cacatuoide, and a moody git at the best of times  *grin*
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on February 12, 2019, 04:26:44 pm
 roflmao

What a handsome fish!
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on February 12, 2019, 06:47:29 pm
You have very soft water in Manchester (lucky you) but it is low in carbonates & bicarbonates.
If your pH has dropped then it is more than likely that your KH (carbonate hardness) has dropped, I would add some potassium bicarbonate otherwise the fishless cycle may stall (the beneficial bacteria love using up the carbonates & bicarbonates).

Baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) can be used instead but the sodium has no real use in an aquarium whilst the potassium (potassium bicarbonate) will be taken up by the plants.
How much bicarbonate? 7ml of either bicarbonate will raise the KH level by one in a 240L aquarium.
Dissolve the bicarbonate with tank water before adding to the tank.
Keep an eye on the pH as this will give an indication of your KH level, try to keep the pH slightly above pH7.0 during the cycle.
As a temporary measure you could do a 50% water change and then top up the ammonia to 2ppm, this will replenish some of the bicarbonates.

All the best

Just tested water and it’s gone very acidic (pale yellow on API pH test). I have bicarbonate of soda in my cupboard but powder form, so when you say 7ml how much is that in grams? Or is my understanding completely off?

Otherwise I can do a water change tomorrow (as I’ll need to prepare the water tonight).
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Stephen on February 14, 2019, 01:36:05 pm
You have very soft water in Manchester (lucky you) but it is low in carbonates & bicarbonates.
If your pH has dropped then it is more than likely that your KH (carbonate hardness) has dropped, I would add some potassium bicarbonate otherwise the fishless cycle may stall (the beneficial bacteria love using up the carbonates & bicarbonates).

Baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) can be used instead but the sodium has no real use in an aquarium whilst the potassium (potassium bicarbonate) will be taken up by the plants.
How much bicarbonate? 7ml of either bicarbonate will raise the KH level by one in a 240L aquarium.
Dissolve the bicarbonate with tank water before adding to the tank.
Keep an eye on the pH as this will give an indication of your KH level, try to keep the pH slightly above pH7.0 during the cycle.
As a temporary measure you could do a 50% water change and then top up the ammonia to 2ppm, this will replenish some of the bicarbonates.

All the best

Just tested water and it’s gone very acidic (pale yellow on API pH test). I have bicarbonate of soda in my cupboard but powder form, so when you say 7ml how much is that in grams? Or is my understanding completely off?

Otherwise I can do a water change tomorrow (as I’ll need to prepare the water tonight).
5ml is a teaspoon so 7ml is just a bit more. ;)
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on February 14, 2019, 05:14:00 pm
Thanks! Yeah I probably should’ve used my common sense there! I’ve done a large water change so I’ll test water.
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on February 16, 2019, 10:59:44 am
Just ordered more plants and hardscape. My water remains acidic and I think this will continue since I have driftwood.

Water changes have helped to raise pH slightly - will this acidic water affect the cycle in the long run?
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Stephen on February 16, 2019, 11:09:30 am
Whilst doing a cycle it is best (quicker) to have a slightly alkaline water (pH above pH7.0) but once the cycle is complete them you should be fine.
The fish (and possibly the plants) would prefer a slightly acidic water long-term but not fish that require hard and alkaline water (molly, guppy, African cichlids etc..).
Most of the south American fish species usually originate (in their natural environment) from a soft and acidic water.
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on February 17, 2019, 09:31:28 pm
Did a large water change and sand vacuum. Unfortunately I moved my handscape and had to reposition until I got a layout I liked. This resulted in more mess thanks to the driftwood! Oh well. I’ll re-vacuum after I plant the new plants.

Seen less worms today but have a feeling they’ll be out to eat the new mess soon!

I’ve also ordered seachem purigen to reduce the tannins (I will be adding more driftwood this week) as I don’t want the water to be as acidic as it was a few days ago. My vallisneria haveht coped well.

Anyway, exciting news:

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The nitrites have finally started to drop, after weeks of seeing deep purple I was very excited! Ammonia was topped up yesterday and that’s reducing at a faster rate too. My cycle has been happening for 4 weeks now. Hopefully not too long to go now.
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Stephen on February 17, 2019, 10:37:36 pm
Anyway, exciting news:

The nitrites have finally started to drop, after weeks of seeing deep purple I was very excited! Ammonia was topped up yesterday and that’s reducing at a faster rate too. My cycle has been happening for 4 weeks now. Hopefully not too long to go now.
Sounds like you're soon be there, well done.  *applause*
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on February 18, 2019, 08:46:08 pm
Tonight’s water test: (only have three test tubes, oops!)

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pH 6.2-6.4
Ammonia 0 (which has now been topped again)
Nitrite 0 😁
Nitrate 20

I will be doing a water change tomorrow as my plants arrive.

But assuming I get this every night, does it mean I’m ready for fish this weekend!? 😱
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Theycallitguppylove on February 18, 2019, 09:05:38 pm
Yep you lucky bugger!!!!! Post some pics of the new arrivals!!


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Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on February 19, 2019, 01:58:37 pm
Got my order from AG today. Some more ‘grey mountain’ rocks (which could easily make a sturdy cave):

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And a lovely piece of driftwood HOWEVER it floats! 😭 I guess I got lucky the last time I ordered it. I’ve had to use boiling water as it was covered in some sort of fungus. Also found a few ant carcasses while soaking. Oops!

I originally wanted to plant golden anubias on it but may have to drop that idea and put it on a rock instead (since I have no idea how long it could take to sink). The other idea was to use the cave to anchor the driftwood but then there’d be no space for fish to swim through.

Not opened the actual plant package yet as something came up but hopefully I’ll be able to do that later this afternoon. This is what I should have:

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Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on February 19, 2019, 09:18:29 pm
I’m sore and tired. Have just planted all the new stuff. Tank looks a lot fuller already and very green! Currently unsure about the floating water sprite - looks like I’ve just thrown some coriander on top of the water!

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Also ran out of super glue so had to tie down Anubias temporarily.

I had to buy the tissue culture sagitaria - cant believe how many little plants I got from that tiny tub! The H polysperma was abundant too!
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Gingerlove05 on February 19, 2019, 09:50:17 pm
Nice :)
Dont worry about the water sprite, once it settles it will probably grow like mad :)
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Kwak Rider on February 19, 2019, 10:42:17 pm
Looks great, it'll soon fill out even more, well done  thumbsup3

Kev
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on February 19, 2019, 10:59:16 pm
Thank you!

Maybe my cycle isn’t quite ready yet. Ammonia and nitrite are both at 0.25, so it’s taking more than 24 hours to reduce from 2ppm.
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Gingerlove05 on February 19, 2019, 11:08:56 pm
Yeah a little longer, you want 3 consecutive days of 0ppm ammonia and nitrite before getting fish :)
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: thebendyfox on February 20, 2019, 10:23:30 am
Love the look of the tank. Very natural and with plenty of room to grow and change.

 thumbsup2
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on February 20, 2019, 12:33:48 pm
Thank you everyone!

Just received more root tabs and also Purigen (to help reduce tannin related acidity). And got more glue for the anubias golden nana (which I’m excited about as it’ll be the only non green plant).

My Vallisneria are finally green again and getting longer. All these water changes have really helped.

I’m going to have a long hard think about stocking...
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Stephen on February 20, 2019, 06:19:08 pm
The tank looks good.
What is that white sand?

Thanks
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on February 20, 2019, 06:25:47 pm
The tank looks good.
What is that white sand?

Thanks

Unipac white sand. Supposed to be inert.
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Stephen on February 20, 2019, 11:21:59 pm
The tank looks good.
What is that white sand?

Thanks

Unipac white sand. Supposed to be inert.
Thanks, just wondering  *grin*
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Pleco Fan on February 23, 2019, 06:46:04 pm
Nice looking tank VC how come you put your heater exactly where I put mine  roflmao
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on February 23, 2019, 07:39:37 pm
Nice looking tank VC how come you put your heater exactly where I put mine  roflmao

I noticed that too! Must be standard beginner syndrome that compelled us to do it!
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Pleco Fan on February 24, 2019, 07:56:35 am
 roflmao  I wouldn't exactly call myself a beginner maybe we just have common sense.  *2116* 
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on February 24, 2019, 07:59:58 am
Oops, sorry! Must be fluval 240 disease then.
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on February 25, 2019, 06:30:31 pm
Added ammonia yesterday, it’s zero today. Topped up again. Hopefully this is the end stages of the cycle!

Bit worried I may have stalled with all the water changes I had done to reduce pH / clear detritus to reduce worms!
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on February 27, 2019, 06:55:08 pm
Just realised: water is acidic because I’m also adding easy carbo daily! Anyone know if it’s ok to add every other day (or even less?)
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on February 27, 2019, 08:34:53 pm
Also have I got some sort of mini cycle!?

Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Theycallitguppylove on February 27, 2019, 08:50:43 pm
Possibly! I’m having a similar problem with very low levels of nitrite booooo
Make sure your tubes and really clean before you use them just to be sure


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Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: plankton on February 28, 2019, 08:13:00 am
If you think you have a mini-cycle going on, daily water changes of at least 10%. ;)
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on March 01, 2019, 07:47:27 pm
I think I do. After tipping up ammonia, a day later I have 0.25-0.5 ammonia but 0 nitrites. This has happened two days in a row now.

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I’ve stopped daily dosing of easy carbo (in a bid to stop water being too acidic) but I’ve already noticed some algae on glass. The detritus worms have multiplied but they’re mostly swimming around (as opposed to being in substrate).

Are the two water changes I’ve done (based on above advice) killing them and thus raising ammonia? Or is it the brown leaves on some of the plants I haven’t removed? Or both?

Need some reassurance please! 😓
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: plankton on March 02, 2019, 08:46:51 am
The tap water doesn't test with a similar colour, does it?
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on March 02, 2019, 11:41:26 am
Tap water is pH 7 and all other tests are at 0.
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on March 02, 2019, 12:38:53 pm
Just had another thought - when doing my water changes I’m using seachem prine to dechlorinate the water. It also claims to detox ammonia and nitrites. Could this have an effect on readings?

I’m really confused and want to ensure I’m not making the cycle worse.
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: _pjn312_ on March 02, 2019, 01:07:02 pm
As far as I know, Prime will convert ammonia to ammonium (which is still detectable in water tests but not harmful to fish) but I'm not sure about the Nitrite. I suppose it will still be detectable but again be made harmless. Both products will be used by the filter bacteria though.
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: thebendyfox on March 04, 2019, 11:24:06 am
If your ammonia is being converted into Ammonium then Yes its possible that will show up on the tests as Ammonia.

My tap water gets some Ammonium added to it, and as a result previous tests have shown as 0.5 as a baseline (making Cycles a pain). I've since moved house, so not had the fun of doing a cycle as yet  *grin*
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on March 05, 2019, 05:13:17 pm
Thank you. I will keep testing and hope for the best. It’s been over 6 weeks now, I’m hopeful the end is in sight!
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Theycallitguppylove on March 05, 2019, 05:46:16 pm
Have you added any beneficial bacteria? I always add some, usually Tetra Safe Start, and I’m pretty sure it helps.....although opinion varies! Just thought it may be worth a try


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Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on March 05, 2019, 06:59:41 pm
I didn’t add any to begin with as I thought that was point of fushless cycle with pure ammonia.

Would adding some now mess up the cycle? I’ve just tested again (after adding ammonia yesterday evening) and

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😓
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Theycallitguppylove on March 05, 2019, 09:02:00 pm
I would add some to try to kick start the next stage of the cycle. It can’t hurt!


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Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: plankton on March 06, 2019, 08:49:33 am
I'd just add some dissolved bicarbonate (potassium is best, but sodium will do for the cycle). I suspect the carbonates have been used up in your soft water.
It is just about cycled by the looks. ;)
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Stephen on March 06, 2019, 09:08:38 am
I'd just add some dissolved bicarbonate (potassium is best, but sodium will do for the cycle). I suspect the carbonates have been used up in your soft water.
It is just about cycled by the looks. ;)
I agree.
Either add some bicarbonates or even do a 50% water change (to replenish the bicarbonates) and then top the ammonia back up to 2ppm, you're not far off.

All the best
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on March 06, 2019, 08:45:51 pm
Thank you. I’ve done a large water change and added ammonia.

I’ll test tomorrow. I’ll definitely consider the bicarbonate - is this going to be a persistent thing where I’ll need to top up bicarbonates in a regular basis?
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: plankton on March 07, 2019, 09:00:39 am
No. Once you're doing weekly changes it'll be ok, it's only during the cycle it can be a nuisance.
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on March 07, 2019, 09:43:10 pm
Thanks for the advice!

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(Nitrite was 0-0.25) Hopefully this’ll speed things up again.
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Pleco Fan on March 10, 2019, 09:16:37 pm
I used Prime when I cycled my tank after each water change I added a cap full, it still took about a week to reduce the Nitrite level so tbh I'm not sure it had any effect.
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on March 10, 2019, 09:21:14 pm
Good news: had two days in a row of ammonia and nitrite going to zero 24 hours after being topped up!

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Possible bad news: found a patch of algae on the sand. Also there are hardly any detritus worms floating around however now there are slug like ones crawling on the glass. Are these baby detritus worms or have I now got something else to deal with?

In retrospect white sand and driftwood is the worst possible combo ever! 🤣
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: plankton on March 11, 2019, 08:42:53 am
Stir the sand to get rid of the cyano.
Pics will help id the other critters. Are you sure they aren't baby snails?
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on March 11, 2019, 08:28:59 pm
Hi it’s hard to get a decent pic as they’re quite small and surprisingly quick. I cannot see a triangular head or eyes though so think they’re rhabdocoela (which are harmless?)

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Just find it funny that the detritus worms are no longer visible and these have come out to play instead. Thanks for the tip about the cyano.

I have now had three days in a row where ammonia and nitrite are zero 24 hours after adding ammonia. However pH has gone increasingly more acidic (since I added bicarbonate last week).

Should I do a water change (last one was last Wednesday, about 40%) or add more bicarbonate or both? I don’t want cycle to stall again, as if these results continue, I’d like to get fish this weekend. Thank you!
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: plankton on March 12, 2019, 08:26:06 am
If you've had the three "double zeros" then it's cycled..... *grin*
Congrats!!
Big water change and add fish......or add more bicarb and ammonia if you're waiting to get fish. You could just add 1ppm per day up until you get fish. :)
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on March 12, 2019, 08:36:47 pm
Thank you!

Just tested now and pH has gone back to 6.0. The ammonia is now at 0.25 and the nitrites are 0. This is what I saw last week prior to big water change and bicarb addition.

Am I right I’m assuming that the first set of bacteria do not work well in acidic water? If so is this going to be a problem in the long run? Or will large water changes every week help with this. I’m guessing I shouldn’t be adding bicarbs once fish are in there.

Anyway I’ve added bicarbonate again. Should I wait until tomorrow to add ammonia (since it’s not currently 0)?

Thank you so much for your help with all this!
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: plankton on March 13, 2019, 09:09:35 am
With regular water changes you'll be fine. :)
Ammonia isn't as toxic in acidic water, but nitrite is. With hard water it's the other way round. ;)
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on March 14, 2019, 08:06:20 pm
Now that the tank is cycled (just over 8 weeks in total!) I’m back to my original dilemma on what fish to put in the tank!

I’m going to LFS this weekend. Plan is to look at the options I’ve narrowed down and see what takes my fancy!

Being on this forum has opened my eyes to the sheer variety out there - I think I’ll be in the shop for a long time!

My options:

1. Large school of tetras - so many I like but if I had to narrow down: rummynose, lemon, ember

BUT! I also like the harlequin rasbora.

2. Either a pair of Bolivian rams or maybe three honey gourami. I do also like the look of cherry barbs though. (See my dilemma in choosing!?)

3. Corydoras sterbai.

Would the cories be ok in a new aquarium? I’ve read conflicting things about how they’re really hardy but others have said they’d need an established aquarium. My water is currently 6.6 but I know it’ll drop again soon.

Also still thinking about what the LFS said about not putting everything in in one go (despite the fishless cycle). I guess they are covering their backs in case something bad happened and I tried to get a refund?
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: plankton on March 15, 2019, 08:04:32 am
As long as the tank is cycled, the corys will be fine. The reason people say wait is because they absolutely hate ammonia and new tanks are more liable to have spikes. But you have soft water, so it won't be as toxic, and you'll also be doing regular water changes.
The shops don't understand fishless cycles. I tell them I've got 4 tanks (if they get funny about things), so there's never a problem anyway. But then, I HAVE got 4 tanks. *grin*
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Pleco Fan on March 15, 2019, 10:24:51 am
My fav cory's are Panda, always sooo busy.
My local aquatics center have some beautiful Geophargus red heads, if I didn't have Discus I would have bought some.
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on March 15, 2019, 10:30:18 pm
Geophargus red heads

That doesn’t sound like a beginner fish!
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Pleco Fan on March 16, 2019, 10:22:36 am
Oh maybe not, but are you a beginner after 162 posts gulp! I'm a beginner at keeping Discus and still have a lot to learn then again you have not got a beginners tank based on it's size, my first tank was a two footer, so you have a great tank and a great forum to aid and sometimes the only way to learn is through actual experience.  *grin*
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on March 16, 2019, 02:05:18 pm
Didn’t go to the LFS I originally was going to visit as I read some questionable reviews (and was still a bit unsure after their email about not putting all stock in one go).

I went to a different one and bought some fish! They didn’t have the sterbai corydoras and didn’t want to get the other varieties just for the sake of it. So in the end I got *drumroll*

10 rummynose tetra
10 harlequin rasboras
2 Bolivian rams

Yes that’s it.  roflmao

Literally tiny, tiny fish in a giant tank! I’ll see how these go and hopefully bulk up the schools by next week.

Photos to follow once tank light comes on later.
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on March 16, 2019, 04:14:18 pm
Lights are on!

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Bolivian rams not impressed with the trauma I’ve put them through! They’ve stayed as a pair so far but no idea what their genders are.

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Rummy noses schooling together nicely. Hopefully all their noses will be a deep red soon.

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Harlequins messing around the filter. They seem to like the air stone too!

Like I said, I’ll fill out the schools during the week providing everyone seems ok and somewhat settled.

I’m very happy though!
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: James Rawlings on March 16, 2019, 04:43:10 pm
Looks Good!
Bet its nice finally seeing some movement in the tank?  *grin*
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Kwak Rider on March 16, 2019, 04:54:22 pm
Looks great VC, nice fish choices.  *applause*
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on March 16, 2019, 05:21:19 pm
Thank you!

After 8 weeks of cycling it sure does (even if I can’t always see the fish!)
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Gingerlove05 on March 16, 2019, 05:29:42 pm
Nice :)
Dont worry once the rummies settle or you add more they’ll make use of that space ;) as would the harleys i expect  *grin*
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Stephen on March 16, 2019, 09:56:55 pm
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Water: 3.15 dGh (2.10 hardness clarke according to United Utilities!)
2.1 hardness Clark = 1.68dGH so is your water slightly harder than what United Utilities state? (It's still soft at 3.15dGH)
Just wondering ;)
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on March 17, 2019, 09:16:57 am
No idea. Didn’t know how to calculate but found a conversion table online so just used that! Will change accordingly! Thanks!
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: plankton on March 17, 2019, 09:26:00 am
The fish will bulk out, harlequins get to just over 2" ans do rummies. :)
Nice fish. The Bolivians look washed out, not sure of that's the flash, the sand or they really are...... ;)
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on March 17, 2019, 09:44:30 am
Yeah they were slightly coloured in the LFS, I could see the red tinge on the fins but have since been less coloured. One is very shy and hides.

I’m hoping to increase the Harley school from 10 to 20 and get at least 5 more rummies.

Would you advise getting more rams? I know they are also social fish - do I have enough room in the tank in terms of bio load?

I’m going to give first feed this afternoon, exciting times ahead!

(Also on a complete other tangent I saw a beautiful flower horn in the shop).
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on March 17, 2019, 01:19:04 pm
Feeding didn’t really go to plan. The pellets I got from LG’s are too big for tetra and rasboras mouths. Hikari pellet for rams remain untouched.

I’ll have to order the frozen and freezedried stuff online. 😓
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Gingerlove05 on March 17, 2019, 01:51:37 pm
Crush them up  *grin*
I’ve done it for fry, i have a pestle and mortar that i use. You might find it will take a little time for the fish to realise the pellets are food, it depends what they were fed in the lfs. If you get the frozen or freeze dried stuff remember to defrost/hydrate for 10-20mins, before feeding to the fish.
You might find you have to mix the foods to get the fish to associate them all as food.
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on March 17, 2019, 02:44:27 pm
Good idea! I’ve ordered some hikari mini pellets and some freeze dried bloodworm and daphnia so hopefully they’ll get used to the variety soon!
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: plankton on March 18, 2019, 09:27:02 am
You could probably go up to 6 Bolivians in a 240l. :)
Soaking the food in crushed garlic will stimulate the appetite. ;)
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: SuseF on March 18, 2019, 09:58:05 pm
I use Hikari sinking wafers for my Bolivians (and cories) - they demolish them. (Make sure you get the sinking wafers in the orange packet, not the algae ones). My male Bolivian carries them around in his mouth possessively :)

Frozen bloodworms are another favourite, I use Gamma brand. They might just need a bit of time to settle in.

They do colour up nicely with time - here's my fella :)

What cories are you thinking of?
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Gingerlove05 on March 18, 2019, 11:12:04 pm
Funny my male apisto cac tries to demolish my plecs algae wafers, normally ends up with a bit lodged in his mouth (he does have a pretty big mouth), making him look a bigger muppet than he already does  *grin*
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: SuseF on March 19, 2019, 03:36:04 pm
You could probably go up to 6 Bolivians in a 240l. :)
Soaking the food in crushed garlic will stimulate the appetite. ;)

Ian, do you think my adult pair would work with the others? (If VC is still interested of course)
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: plankton on March 19, 2019, 04:46:14 pm
Maybe, if it's the pair is going in a new tank.
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on March 19, 2019, 04:54:47 pm
You could probably go up to 6 Bolivians in a 240l. :)
Soaking the food in crushed garlic will stimulate the appetite. ;)

Thank you! Really don’t get how to calculate amount of fish! Thanks for the garlic tip - there’s always garlic in my house as I absolute LOVE it!

I use Hikari sinking wafers for my Bolivians (and cories) - they demolish them. (Make sure you get the sinking wafers in the orange packet, not the algae ones). My male Bolivian carries them around in his mouth possessively :)

Frozen bloodworms are another favourite, I use Gamma brand. They might just need a bit of time to settle in.

They do colour up nicely with time - here's my fella :)

What cories are you thinking of?

I would’ve liked sterbai cories, the other ones don’t do much for me (which I know is really superficial but there you go!)

One ram seems to be getting some colour back, the other one looks pale as a ghost!

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Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on March 19, 2019, 04:55:23 pm
Funny my male apisto cac tries to demolish my plecs algae wafers, normally ends up with a bit lodged in his mouth (he does have a pretty big mouth), making him look a bigger muppet than he already does  *grin*

Haha bless him!
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: SuseF on March 19, 2019, 10:50:42 pm
Maybe, if it's the pair is going in a new tank.

Best not risk it then.

Hope your new Bolivians settle in VC - they are pretty hardy, mine were coloured up and feeding well within 24 hours so shouldn't be long before yours are too.
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on March 22, 2019, 07:04:36 am
Went back to LFS yesterday. They had new stock of tummies but they were being quarantined.

Topped up Harley school to 20 and relented and bought 6 panda cities (who are very cute and playful).

Maybe one more trip to LFS to get remaining rummies and some more cities if they have them.
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: plankton on March 22, 2019, 08:30:44 am
Your spollchickle is quite amusing, but I'd turn it off just in case you need help. ;) *grin*
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Gingerlove05 on March 22, 2019, 08:36:41 am
 roflmao
And i was trying to come up with something for a “panda city”  *grin*
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Lucyd on March 23, 2019, 09:06:37 pm
I've just caught up on all this, what a lovely tidy tank
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: SuseF on March 24, 2019, 09:52:09 am
I have just PM'd you VC :)
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on March 26, 2019, 08:06:14 pm
Pesky autocorrect! It’s not usually that bad!

Thanks for the compliments. I do enjoy just sitting in front of the tank on evenings.

All fish are doing ok so far, I love them all. The corydoras are so helpful with the sand, definitely getting more of them!

Indian fern is pretty much dead in the water, reckon it’s because the flow is quite strong in the tank. Other plants are thriving though!
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on March 31, 2019, 07:17:46 pm
Starting to see some very subtle colouring on one of the rams!

Getting more algae but think that’s because I’m still unsure about amount of food.

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Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: James Rawlings on March 31, 2019, 08:07:35 pm
Looking good! Is that some red hues I can see on the fins?
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on March 31, 2019, 09:06:23 pm
Looking good! Is that some red hues I can see on the fins?

Yes! And a tiny bit of blue too

Tank shot:

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Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Gingerlove05 on March 31, 2019, 10:08:50 pm
Looking good VC :)
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on April 04, 2019, 06:37:58 pm
Today I saw some yellow on one ram. The other remains pretty pale. It’s amazing how quickly their colouring can change.

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Ordered some hikari sinking wafers for the cories, seem to have good reviews.
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Pleco Fan on April 04, 2019, 07:22:18 pm
Think I need new glasses, doesn't look like a ram to me lol but I can see your tank looks amazing especially with that white substrate. *grin* 
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on April 04, 2019, 09:37:56 pm
The picture is blurry but what do you think they could be!?

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Thank you for the compliment! If I could go back in time I wouldn’t get white sand! 🤣
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Pleco Fan on April 04, 2019, 09:45:44 pm
I have never actually kept ram's you would be better informed by waiting for a ram expert and there are a few on this forum.
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on April 04, 2019, 09:57:34 pm
 roflmao
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Stephen on April 04, 2019, 11:48:48 pm
Bolivian Rams ;)

Tank looks good  *grin*
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Bakerjoe89 on April 05, 2019, 07:35:58 pm
Lovey tank , well executed!
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on April 07, 2019, 10:07:06 pm
Thank you!

As mentioned the water sprite / Indian fern has pretty much disintegrated. Had a look in AG for an alternative floating plant.

Anyone had any luck with Hydrocotyle leucocephala, Salvinia Natans or Riccia Fluitans?

Think my Rams would appreciate some more shade from the bright tank light!
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Kwak Rider on April 07, 2019, 10:44:24 pm
I have Amazon Frogbit (Limnobium laevigatum) diffuses the light nicely and the roots are attractive as they grow, my Dwarf Pencilfish love hanging out underneath them. Only having a nano tank I usually have to thin it out weekly as it grows and sends out plantlets quickly.
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on April 08, 2019, 07:51:34 am
Ah thank you, forgot to mention that one - it’s on AG website too. I think my air stone battered the water sprite a bit, hopefully these other ones can sustains the current!

As well as increasing my panda Cory school I think I need something else to fill the vast amount of space. Question is what!?  *grin*
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Gingerlove05 on April 08, 2019, 08:37:10 am
Fish?  *grin*;)
Sorry couldn’t help myself, i’ll behave now :) (roflmao thats such a lie!)
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on April 08, 2019, 03:39:53 pm
What a terrific idea!  *grin*
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on April 10, 2019, 02:29:08 pm
Got my Limnobium laevigatum today! Love these in vitro plants.

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Also tested water (since it’s been a while):

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Ammonia 0 too. The plants have really reduced the nitrates and I assume the purigen has helped with the pH.

I intend to order more panda cories from aqualife and I’m currently debating whether to get more rummynoses or get a different school all together. The emperor tetras look fancy! 😏
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on April 14, 2019, 12:16:14 am
Did some tank maintenance. One of the Echinodorus Harbich plants needed some help so took it out, trimmed leaves and replanted where it could have more space. These were part of the roots! (Trimmed as it would’ve been a nightmare to try and plant that trail).

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Just thought it was interesting!
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Gingerlove05 on April 14, 2019, 12:23:28 am
You’d be amazed how big roots can get. When I recently moved my 100l around and my big crypt had roots that went from the centre (where it was planted) toward the front just off centre, across the front towards the right, around the corner to the back, round the back corner and across the back about 20cm. The tank is 80cm long and 30cm front to back *blink*
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: SuseF on April 14, 2019, 01:53:20 pm
Just noticed your question about plants. Brazilian pennywort grows brilliantly in Manchester water - mine would take over the whole tank if I let it! I think it's really pretty too. It makes a great floating plant or planted stem depending on preference.

Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on April 14, 2019, 02:21:32 pm
I can only imagine the whole bottom of the tank is a mass web of roots!

I love the rams so much, hope the plant does take over the surface as it’s clear how different the colouring is when the lights are on / off.

Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on April 17, 2019, 03:38:01 pm
My order from Leyland Aquatics came today! See the thread about delivery for more info.

I now have 6 more rummynoses, 6 more panda corydoras and took a gamble and bought 3 Amano shrimp.

The rummynoses were understandably washed out - there was no red whatsoever on a few, but I have checked a few hours later and they’ve blended in nicely with the rest of the gang!

Hopefully the pandas feel more comfortable now that there are 12.

I absolutely love the Amano shrimp. They’re so active and already full of character. Almost had a heart attack getting them from bag to tank though! The last one jumped out the net and I instinctively looked down to the floor to see if that’s where it landed. But thankfully it landed in the tank - I have seen all three at the same time!

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PS. Can you spot all three shrimp in the photos!?
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: plankton on April 17, 2019, 04:04:22 pm
Very nice :)
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Stephen on April 17, 2019, 04:29:32 pm
Nice fish  *grin*
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: James Rawlings on April 17, 2019, 04:54:19 pm
Looking Good!  *grin*
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on April 29, 2019, 05:05:54 pm
I have the dreaded brown algae or diatoms. I’ve read that they’re a rite of passage for new tanks so not too worried yet. I had to clean all the leaves in my poor anubias plants, they seem most covered. Going to take turns scrubbing the rocks and driftwood as I didn’t want to disturb the tank too much.

I’m also doing a trail run of not feeding for a week, possibly in preparation for my 9 days away in August / out of curiousity.

We might have someone house sit, but if I’m honest I don’t want them to feed the fish every day. I’ve read a few horror stories!

It’s more likely I’ll set a specific amount to be fed on certain days, since I’m not there to do my bi-weekly sand vac / water change / be in complete control!  *grin*

Otherwise everything is going well. Ammonia, nitrites are zero, nitrate has been around 5ppm. My favourite game is now “spot the Amano shrimp triplets!”

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Edit: just realised it’s been 4 months today that I started this tank log!
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: plankton on April 30, 2019, 09:12:25 am
Very nice! *grin*
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Stephen on April 30, 2019, 09:55:55 am
Just corrected the image. ;)
Looking good.
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Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Bakerjoe89 on April 30, 2019, 04:12:10 pm
Very nice ,natural looking!
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Pleco Fan on May 01, 2019, 10:36:13 am
It looks great but why is it so dark? is this on purpose, from experience I know you often get a better looking tank shot when it's darkened.
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on May 01, 2019, 08:29:47 pm
I took the photo on my phone on Sunday evening. I haven’t played around with lighting or anything, looks brighter in person though!
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on May 11, 2019, 04:17:28 pm
Had my first loss. One of the pandas died yesterday and there’s another who isn’t moving much. Seems to be paler than the others (who are all very active around the tank during feeding time).

I’ve read they can be sensitive. My water parameters haven’t changed. Ammonia and nitrite are zero, nitrate is around 5ppm. The temp has changed slightly since it’s been generally warmer these last few weeks. They are fed hikari sinking wafers but I’m not always sure if they get enough as the rummynoses and rams gobble whatever is in sight.

Any suggestions with feeding? Or is this sensitivity more commonplace with pandas than other cories?

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Second photo showing difference in colour.
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: plankton on May 11, 2019, 05:39:21 pm
You need good protein. Mine get an assortment of frozen together with high protein pellets/granules from JMC.
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on May 11, 2019, 06:03:47 pm
Thanks for the advice! I don’t have any frozen but do have freeze dried bloodworm and daphnia which I use now and again. The rams get cichlid pellets and the other fish get micro pellets and sometimes bug bites as a treat.

But as I said the rummies go for everything!

Edit: do you use ‘High protein food’ or ‘catfish pellets’ from JMC? Both claim to be 50% protein. The Hikari wafers I use are designed for catfish but have “min 36%” protein.
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: plankton on May 12, 2019, 09:19:01 am
I presume the freeze-dried stuff is soaked for at least 20 mins before putting in the tank..... ;)
I use the high protein, they're smaller granules. All my corys like them. :)
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Stephen on May 12, 2019, 12:38:29 pm
I also use JMC high protein pellets  *grin*
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on May 27, 2019, 01:00:10 pm
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Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: plankton on May 28, 2019, 08:50:45 am
Very nice fish. :)
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Stephen on May 28, 2019, 11:51:56 am
Nice fish & shrimp  *grin*
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on July 06, 2019, 06:43:50 pm
Finally bought some frozen food, tried the bloodworm today. It’s amazing how much is actually packed into one cube!

All devoured but don’t think the Bolivian rams were that impressed. And luckily tomorrow is their fast day as some of the rummies have very full tummies!

In other news I have definitely lost at least one other panda Cory but no sign of a corpse. Do the dead fish get scavenged? Or just rot away to nothing?

Water parameters have been consistent.
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: plankton on July 07, 2019, 08:49:15 am
They get scavenged (especially if you have shrimp and/or snails).
Sorry for your loss :(
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on July 21, 2019, 08:29:57 pm
I’ve tried all three types of frozen food and the fish seem to like them a lot. They were on offer at [email protected]

I have been unlucky with floating plants but oh well. Everything else is going swimmingly though.

Anyway here’s a picture of everyone scrambling for a sinking pellet. The rummynose tetra are by far the greediest fish in the tank. They literally eat everything put in!

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Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Ric on July 28, 2019, 09:22:21 am
Good to see your fish enjoying their food. They do appreciate variety as much as we do.

Btw: Is it just me or do Bolivian Rams always seem to have a look of surprise on their faces? ;)
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: VC on July 28, 2019, 12:35:55 pm
Ha! I always think they look like grumpy clowns who hate their job!

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Agreed about the food. I also enjoy deciding what’s on the menu and mixing matching all the different food that I’ve bought.

Also added some fresh garlic to their bloodworm yesterday. Went down well!

EDIT: I’m having difficulty counting the panda cory - something tells me I have less than my signature these days... 😓
Title: Re: VC 240L beginner freshwater
Post by: Ric on July 29, 2019, 10:30:01 am
Ha! I always think they look like grumpy clowns who hate their job!

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That's an image that will stay with me for sometime ;)