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Title: The Big Fish Campaign.
Post by: bwarwicker on January 11, 2014, 06:54:25 pm
Just thought that I would share this. http://www.bigfishcampaign.org


I've been on a shop tour today and found 3 of the 7 stores within 45 minutes of me stocking Red Tailed Catfish. Also found some Pangasius Sharks, and shovel noses. Too big to be kept in home aquaria. Hopefully something will change to stop such big fish being sold soon.

They also have a Facebook page should anybody be interested.
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Post by: Gill on January 11, 2014, 06:59:42 pm
I follow them on Facebook, their mascot Buster has been visiting schools & public aquaria spreading the message about tank busting fish
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Post by: plankton on January 12, 2014, 11:39:09 am
Good idea, stickied :)
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Post by: Aquatic Ali on January 12, 2014, 05:53:23 pm
Thanks I've started following :)
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Post by: TropiGaz on January 12, 2014, 06:10:41 pm
Nice One,

When I was looking to upgrade I really wanted an arrowana but after looking into it I knew even my 8 footer wold not be big enough.

I know one of my local LFS which often has a RTC but I suspect that was a tank-buster they took off someone.  Another sells Shovels regularly but not the Tiger Shovel and when I bought mine they chatted to me for a while about it making sure my tank was suitable.
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Post by: jayz1979 on January 26, 2014, 04:29:21 pm
I've got a synodontis catfish (upto 25cm) apparently and a red tail shark (up to 18cm) in my 120litre tank. Before you have a go at me, they were in the tank when I bought it and I've had them about a week, I've been doing some research and have realised they are too big and it wouldn't be fair to put other fish in with them. How can I safely re home then with the certainty that they will be cared for?

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Post by: TropiGaz on January 26, 2014, 04:39:14 pm
You could see if your LFS is willing to take them off your hands or see if someone here has the space.

On another note - I saw a RTC in one LFS on Friday which was pretty much the length of the tank it was in.  Even my sister who knows nothing about fish was appalled.
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Post by: jayz1979 on January 26, 2014, 04:47:31 pm
I'll see if the LFC would do a trade for some more adequate fish for my tank! You don't get if you don't ask!

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Post by: bwarwicker on January 26, 2014, 05:33:04 pm
I'd put an advert on here, and also aquarists classifieds as that way you can guarantee they are going to a suitably sized home.
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Post by: jamesdt on February 20, 2014, 06:56:21 pm
Thats a great idea!

I just said good bye to my bala shark through aquarist classified wasnt asked a single question when i bought it along with a knife fish and an albino frog when i first started out, theyre all in bigger homes now thankfully
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Post by: bwarwicker on February 20, 2014, 07:45:11 pm
Most aquatic shops operate as a business unfortunately and don't really care what happens after the sale.
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Post by: looking-glass on March 08, 2014, 11:13:40 pm
great idea :)
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Post by: Firewall on March 09, 2014, 08:06:29 am
Good idea and liked too.. I always look at how large it will grow first when browsing fish
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Post by: Markymarc on March 11, 2014, 04:57:11 pm
I certainly don't agree with banning the sale of large fish.
Lots of people, me included, have large tanks at home.
I also know of a hotel in Torquay that has a 20ft indoor pond in the conservatory, and the whole room is done out Amazon style, it's amazing actually.


But I do agree retailers should be much more responsible in what they sell, and who they sell it to.



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Post by: bwarwicker on March 15, 2014, 08:00:06 am
So easy to get some of the big species though. I could go out today and probably find red tailed cats in 3 places. I definately think that there should be a licensing system, which would stop the lay fishkeeper keeping them but not the big fish fanatics. My first message in this thread isnt written particularly well. I dont think all big fish should be banned, except for red tailed cats maybe. They should be left in the wild IMO.

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Post by: Lesley123 on March 15, 2014, 12:33:15 pm
I think big fish should be sold purely on an 'order in' basis. And only after a responsible fish keeper displays some knowledge about what hes buying.
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Post by: Markymarc on March 15, 2014, 01:25:09 pm
I think generally with a species like an Arrowana or a Red Tailed Cat, people buying these are aware of the potential size and needs of the fish.  Of course not everybody are.
But the bigger problem are the people who see the tiny little Oscar, and pop it in with their Neons, then after the Neons vanish, and they have an increasingly large fish in their 2 foot tank, what happens then?
If nothing else, I think the licencing regulations should state that the size of fish should be clearly marked on every tank containing it in the shop.
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Post by: bwarwicker on March 15, 2014, 06:10:21 pm
Red tailed cats are a big problem and sold at £15 about 3 inches near me. Retailers are as responsible as keepers and some retailers money comes before welfare. Common plecs as well. Pets at home sell them and the biggest tank my local sells is 80l.

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Post by: TropiGaz on March 16, 2014, 02:29:47 pm
Red tailed cats are a big problem and sold at £15 about 3 inches near me. Retailers are as responsible as keepers and some retailers money comes before welfare. Common plecs as well. Pets at home sell them and the biggest tank my local sells is 80l.

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I took in a common Pleco that got to big for a tank.  He's loving life in the 8 footer :)
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Post by: Markymarc on March 16, 2014, 03:40:02 pm
Pets at home sell them and the biggest tank my local sells is 80l.


Pets at home.  Say no more.


If people stop buying fish from these cruel cowboys, they wont be able to sell them.  Money talks.
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Post by: vivalacoulter on March 18, 2014, 11:23:23 am
I've just seen this on Facebook. Apparently that's a real Red Tail Catfish and is also for sale. I can't tell if it actually is real, but if so seems amazingly cruel.

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Post by: mpope1981 on March 18, 2014, 07:49:59 pm
I agree there should be stricter regs on selling these giants but also believe there are some complete idiots in this world that would not take notice any way, the amount of people I have come across that seem more than happy to keep their trophy fish in their tiny tank with no concern for its welfare just because its a focal point is unbelievable, you would have to bring in some kind of home check which would be very hard to manage.
I am no great supporter of pets at home and don't know if they do this every where but my local store always want info on size and stocking of your tank when you buy any fish, now I dont know what they would do if for instance you said you already had an 9" common pleco and a 7" arrowana in your 125l at the time you were purchasing your new oscar maybe nothing but would assume they ask for a reason? I think Lesley may have the best solution being on a ofder in basis
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Post by: TommyTopTetras on April 13, 2014, 08:18:39 pm
I think big fish should be sold purely on an 'order in' basis. And only after a responsible fish keeper displays some knowledge about what hes buying.


Surely this would be an improvement? That way you would have to at least know about the existence of the larger fish and go to the trouble of ordering them in. A decent shop could insist on seeing a photo of the set up before ordering it?


Having these things in shops is obviously encouraging people to impulse buy or at least making the wrong people aware of them. If you know what they are doing with these fish then you don't need to see them in the shop. After all what is the shop going to do with them as they get huge?
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Post by: Rockys Dad on June 06, 2014, 04:21:56 pm
About 25 yrs ago when I was a complete novice (I'm no expert now) I had a 5 ft community tank with gouramis, guppies, platys etc. I stupidly bought a small catfish, about 1" long from a LFS. He was very cute, spent most of the daylight hours in a cave in the rocks. In only a few months he'd grown to about 15" and eaten everything in the tank that he could catch. I didn't realise that he was eating the fish until it dawned on me how few were left. I also didn't realise just how big he'd got as he spent all day in his cave, with just his whiskers sticking out. With no internet back then I had to do a bit of legwork to find out he was a blue channel cat, and was going to get much bigger. Needless to say, he went back to the LFS, where the owner gave me more money in the refund than I paid for him.

In contrast, I re-homed a Tilapia that had outgrown a friends tank. He was about 6" and lived in harmony with his tiny tank mates, never attempting to dine on them. When he got to over a foot he was rehoused in a larger aquarium belonging to a friend of a friend.

I will now check very carefully before buying anything. There's no excuse now with the internet on your phone, is there? (Unless like me, you haven't got a mobile phone!!)
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Post by: lilizzy on June 06, 2014, 05:26:48 pm
If most local pet shops actually gave good advice it wouldnt be a problem. I have been there starting off and was told I could keep two goldfish in a 21L tank. Believed it. Luckily my goldfish are still with me as I learnt quickly!

Actually did an experiment, knowingly how many goldfish I could fit into my 4ft tank (which is 3) I asked two pet stores anyway. One said ten. Another said 20!! Of course some people would listen as it is professionals who are meant to be trained and knowledged in fish. I have met some good employees who clearly know their stuff but if more training was given these fish wouldnt get sold into a terrible environment not auitable for them.
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Post by: lilizzy on June 06, 2014, 05:34:54 pm
I agree there should be stricter regs on selling these giants but also believe there are some complete idiots in this world that would not take notice any way, the amount of people I have come across that seem more than happy to keep their trophy fish in their tiny tank with no concern for its welfare just because its a focal point is unbelievable, you would have to bring in some kind of home check which would be very hard to manage.
I am no great supporter of pets at home and don't know if they do this every where but my local store always want info on size and stocking of your tank when you buy any fish, now I dont know what they would do if for instance you said you already had an 9" common pleco and a 7" arrowana in your 125l at the time you were purchasing your new oscar maybe nothing but would assume they ask for a reason? I think Lesley may have the best solution being on a ofder in basis

yeah they do ask about your tank size but makes no difference I think. Their recommendations on how many fish you can fit in a tank is different to how we know it. They said I can get 20 goldfish in my tank when I know I can only have three. So therefore they would still sell me the fish even though I was overstocked.
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Post by: leeanne on June 06, 2014, 09:26:23 pm
My mum got sold 2 bala sharks for a 60l tank the shop said theyll be fine wont grow bigger than the tank! Also same time bunch of guppies 2 male dwarf gourami & neons for a new uncycled tank


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Post by: Bud28 on August 11, 2014, 10:56:48 pm
Last week in a lfs i enquired about 2 x cigar sharks (approx 4"-5"). I knew nothing about them but was told they would be fine in my vision 180. The bloke then went on to describe there speed and said they have rubber like mouths  so when they hit the glass it doesn't hurt them. He then put his hand/arm in the tank to spook them and show me and my wife. I went home and researched the fish and was far from impressed. I think you should have to pass a written/verbal test on your knowledge of aquatics before being allowed to sell them
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Post by: bwarwicker on August 12, 2014, 07:55:00 am
Last week in a lfs i enquired about 2 x cigar sharks (approx 4"-5"). I knew nothing about them but was told they would be fine in my vision 180. The bloke then went on to describe there speed and said they have rubber like mouths  so when they hit the glass it doesn't hurt them. He then put his hand/arm in the tank to spook them and show me and my wife. I went home and researched the fish and was far from impressed. I think you should have to pass a written/verbal test on your knowledge of aquatics before being allowed to sell them


To be honest it sounds like a shop you should avoid anyway if they're deliberately spooking the fish!
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Post by: CraigS on September 11, 2014, 08:25:47 pm
My LSF seem pretty good but the other day i did have to wonder - As I was looking around I found that in their big display tank they had 2 x Arowana and a Lungfish! I did have to look twice because I literally couldn't believe my eyes. Who has a tank big enough for a fish that can grow up to 6ft!
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Post by: waynes world on September 18, 2014, 09:27:57 pm
I am one who loves to keep these as called `tank busters` there are so many shops that sell Aro`s good if you have a 8x3x2 tank fro a silver that can grow to 36 inch in a tank at its best. FW Sting rays, now they need a bigger foot print tank, of at least ? x 4 foot dependant on the type. 


BUT


How many fish are sold that grow to a smaller size but still grow to maybe 12 inch and are sold in every shop there is, there fore more should be dome about this than the few of the cats, rays, aro`s that are sold.


I was sold a yellow fin catfish years ago, i was told it would grow to 12 inch, it was 2 inch when i got him, it grew to be a RTCxTSN which can grow to over 36 inch, i had to give him away to a bloke with a pond after i had him for 6 months in a 8x2x2 tank, and that pushed it.


All for the idea but there are more fish being harmed from gold fish to Oscars than the tank busters IMO.
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Post by: bwarwicker on September 19, 2014, 02:47:02 pm
I agree with that.
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Post by: Phez on October 18, 2014, 09:59:06 pm
Ten from Len there waynes world. It's like any animal not just fish. They shouldnt sell them to incompetent people with a small tank. They should have a good knowledge of how big they get and tank size. I don't really agree with photo's of others tanks as that would be scrutinizing how you should change this and that however they would know if they had a big enough tank when asking questions without seeing photo's. People just think what the hell. What i hate even more is not the buyer it's the seller as it's their job to make sure they know they will get looked after but people just see ££££££
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Post by: beckynlewis on January 07, 2015, 08:53:54 pm
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Paroon-Shark-Pangasius-sanitwongsei-Catfish-/161551243389?pt=UK_Pet_Supplies_Fish&hash=item259d34587d

like these should be in any tank
very little info in the add that they turn into monsters
size wize
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Post by: Drunken horse on January 24, 2015, 11:03:14 am
I agree with Wayne. When I first started buying fish I was shocked at how little information some shops display and in some cases were information was just wrong.  I was sold "Dwarf plecs" which I was assured would be no more than 5 inches long. Turned out they were Sailfin plecs I kept them for as long as they were a comfortable size for my tanks (around a year) . I was gutted when I gave them to another LFS  (they are quite characterful fish) and not sure they believed me about the miselling. Thankfully the shop who sold me them has closed down.
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Post by: waynes world on February 10, 2015, 03:48:51 pm
I would be happy to put hand on hart and say there is more fish bought and sold that come to harm that are sold in every fish shop around that are basic fish we see every day, Oscars, Silver Sharks, Clown loach, so many of the small catfish and Plecs etc etc a lot of fish grow over 4 inch which so many folk buy and are sold, the majority of fish for sale get this big in captivity and just no good for the general size tanks folk have.


All for protecting the tank buster fish but more should be done and said for the others which are lot smaller but still get to 4-8 inch long plus and still not going to a home where they can be cared for.


Its a 50/50 LFS and customer awarness.
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Post by: LooN1980 on December 27, 2018, 11:30:27 pm
Just purchased this baby
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Post by: Fishtales on December 28, 2018, 07:18:09 pm
I can see this is an old thread, but unfortunately it's still a current problem. I really don't understand why some lfs keep a big stock of larger fish that just won't be suitable for the average home aquarium.
As I mentioned in my other post I was sent off home with 2 sailfins (1 died on the way home) for my 125lt tank. I have got him & my other fish a much bigger home now, but it was upsetting to see so many big sailfins that had been returned to the shop because they had quite simply sold loads of them to people who shouldn't have had them in the first place.

This experience taught me a lot very early on, I probably still have a community of fish that wouldn't necessarily be recommended, but touch wood its working. It never entered my head that I wouldn't be given good advice and steered in the right direction by my lfs. TBH it ruined my experience early on with my aquarium, instead of enjoying it, I was constantly monitoring my water , doing extra water changes & saving to upgrade to a larger tank as soon as possible.
I agree with previous comments, fish of this sort of size should have to be ordered in,not sent off with unwitting customers. Mine were really small when I got them & being completely ignorant I couldn't even imagine the size he is capable of growing.

Also when they got loads of them back, there was one huge plec that had been put in a tank with a lovely flat white fish & it was sucking off the side of the poor thing, just disgusting.